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Offline poche

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Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 05:29:47 AM »
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  • This past friday, February 23, 2018, the ultra-liberal 'bishop' Foys of the diocese of Covington, KY visited the sspx school/chapel of Our Lady of the Assumption.  He toured the highschool and grade school buildings, as well as the chapel and had lunch with the prior, Fr Musha, and some other school officials.  When he visited the grade-school building, grades K-7, he was greeted with catholic hyms sung by the children.

    Many parents found out about this visit only the night before, and some parents kept their children home from school that day.  One parishoner told me that he texted Fr Musha and asked what was going on.  Fr told him that (paraphrasing) "Bishop Foys asked to visit and since he's our bishop, we didn't want to say no."  Fr offered to meet and discuss this event in person with the parishoner, but Fr has not responded to attempts to schedule.

    This parishoner also told me that last year, when Fr Waggner was in town, that he and Fr Musha visited Bishop Foys' office and said hello.

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    My opinion is that this is a test, to see what kind of 'outcry' there will be from the school and laity.  The school has over 200 children and the parish is around 400-500 people overall - a very large, and rapidly growing chapel.  I also think this is a form of pyschological war, to condition the laity to slowly accept the future reality of being under the local bishop.  I'm sure this is not an isolated incident and has happened at other chapels around the country.

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    Here is a run-down of the 'greatest hits' of this ultra-liberal, Bishop Foys.
     
    1) The Northern KY 'right to life' group is one of the most conservative and active groups in all of KY.  There are so many catholics in the N.Ky and Cincinnati area that this 'right to life' group often affects many political races and has done countless good.  Bishop Foys has told his diocese to cut ties with this group because they are 'not collaborative' with opposing views.

    http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable

    2.  Bishop Foys denied the printing of an advertisement in the diocesan newspaper for a public rosary march in honor of Our Lady of Fatima, organized by traditionals in the area.

    3.  The Covington diocese has a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community, supported by the Bishop.
    I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.


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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #16 on: February 28, 2018, 05:31:32 AM »
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  • I agree with you.  This sounds like a test to see what the reaction is.  And, it is insulting.  Less than 24 hours of notice, and the children have to sing for him.  I looked him up on the internet and saw him promoting the satanic year of mercy logo.  
    My understanding is that they sang Catholic hymns. I think that is appropriate for school children who consider themselves Catholic.


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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #17 on: February 28, 2018, 11:15:37 AM »
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    I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.
    It's a good sign if the sspx wants to be 'hip' and accepted by heretical and uneducated catholics...Otherwise, it's a sign that the sspx is caving to peer pressure and becoming worldly.

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #18 on: February 28, 2018, 03:21:14 PM »
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  • I can understand not wanting to turn down a visitor but why not have an after hours tour? Why submit all the children and the families to the confusion and the pomp and circuмstance for someone who a) may not even be a proper bishop and b) is a hardened liberal whose company would have been forbidden in saner times?

    The SSPX leaders think that if they play the game these men will convert.  :facepalm: 

    (or maybe more properly, "revert". God only knows which it truly is.)

    I suppose if they had had an after hours tour they'd be criticized too as if they were trying to keep it secret. So maybe they can't win. But I am okay with that. I don't think they should in this case. Leave the NO to itself, people leave it for a reason.



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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #19 on: March 01, 2018, 08:44:40 AM »
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  • Has nothing to do with fr. Pfeiffer specifically.

    Just look at the yuk that comes from ky.  
    Here's a recent example:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fr-robinson's-new-book-'the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science'/

    It is no wonder a certain true, legitimate, exorcist won't even enter that state...
    Who's that?


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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #20 on: March 01, 2018, 08:57:08 AM »
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  • I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.
    Black is white and white is black to you, since you are a typical Novus Ordo blind guide who considers the counterfeit Vatican II church to be catholic.

    It is actually a good sign to be considered not part of the counterfeit Vatican II church.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #21 on: March 02, 2018, 05:06:56 AM »
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  • Black is white and white is black to you, since you are a typical Novus Ordo blind guide who considers the counterfeit Vatican II church to be catholic.

    It is actually a good sign to be considered not part of the counterfeit Vatican II church.
    At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires. 

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #22 on: March 02, 2018, 08:10:40 AM »
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  • YES! That was because the SSPX had already become Nsspx.


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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #23 on: March 02, 2018, 10:27:30 AM »
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  • At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires.

    And Pope Francis learned so much, didn't he?? So converted.

    Or maybe we're the ones who have learned so much ....

    Aren't we calling the Latin Mass the extraordinary form now?

    And having NO possibly-priests oversee our weddings?

    That's where presumption gets us.

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #24 on: March 02, 2018, 10:47:45 AM »
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  • Poche is a Novus Ordo blind guide, what do you expect him to say, something intelligent?
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #25 on: March 03, 2018, 11:00:54 PM »
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  • And Pope Francis learned so much, didn't he?? So converted.

    Or maybe we're the ones who have learned so much ....

    Aren't we calling the Latin Mass the extraordinary form now?

    And having NO possibly-priests oversee our weddings?

    That's where presumption gets us.
    It is not required to have a NO priest officiate at your wedding if you live in a parish which is run by a community that is dedicated to the TLM, the FSSP for example,


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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #26 on: March 04, 2018, 04:17:26 PM »
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  • At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires.
    Poche,

    I'm sorry to see you persevering in acting as the clown...

          neo-trad watchdog, of the Revolution.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #27 on: March 04, 2018, 04:48:07 PM »
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  • It is not required to have a NO priest officiate at your wedding if you live in a parish which is run by a community that is dedicated to the TLM, the FSSP for example,
    1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
    2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
    3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
    4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #28 on: March 04, 2018, 08:44:27 PM »
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  • So where are you from Fanny?  Who else don't you like in Kentucky?  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #29 on: March 04, 2018, 10:46:49 PM »
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  • 1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
    2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
    3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
    4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.

    Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

    They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

    They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




    Source below: Gloria TV and Secretum Meum Mihi
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    Blowoff, Vatican Allows Easter Rites Prior to the Reform of Pius XII

    The Priestly Fraternity of St Peter has been granted an indult by the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei to use the liturgical books for Holy Week as they were until the [failed] reform of Pius XII (+1958). The indult is granted ad experimentum for three years.
     
     The information was published in several of the Fraternity’s US-parish bulletins. Each church of the Fraternity has to request permission from the superiors before taking advantage of the indult. According to rumours, 25 parishes have been granted permission so far.
     
     However, on Good Friday, the prayer for the Jєωs published by Pope Benedict XVI must be used.



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