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Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2018, 03:50:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: King Wenceslas on April 25, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
    Another push button issue that the devil uses to divide and exterminate the Traditionalist movement. Ah yes the devil is having a field day. Keep it up you are doing the devil's work for him.
    This thread constitutes a debate of sorts over some rather critical issues which the Novus Ordo and a good number of Trads would like to ignore.  Why?  Because the truth (no lover of human respect) which the devil, the father of lies, hates can be a real game changer in inconveniently upsetting some modernist status quo apple carts.

    As for your post I challenge you to offer any evidence, any solid evidence at all, that what you say here is true. 

    So what exactly is your evidence to support your assertions that:
         !.)   Whatever you are referring to is "Another push button issue that the devil uses to divide and exterminate the Traditionalist movement."
         2.)  "Ah yes the devil is having a field day."
         3.)  "...you are doing the devil's work for him."
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #46 on: April 25, 2018, 03:57:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 25, 2018, 02:02:41 PM
    The Church condemned Galileo for heliocentrism, not globe-earthism you tool. The Church at the time, including St. Bellarmine and the Pope, believed in a geocentrism and a globe-Earth.
    The Church insists the Bible is without error and the globe earth does not work with Scripture AT ALL.  Literally 100% of the Fathers that weighed in with TEACHINGS on this subject, taught flat earth.  Geocentric flat earth.  Calling me names won't change that.  Besides, the Church condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine/Copernican Doctrine altogether while She specified moving earth and stationary sun.  But that is where Scripture, the Fathers, and science come in.  And all are in agreement.  Also, 100% of the time, Pythagorean Doctrine, the doctrine of demons, promotes the globe.  As does NASA, the Freemasonic arm of hellions determined to overthrow Scripture and Tradition as the basis for anything scientific.  The earth is not a globe. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #47 on: April 25, 2018, 04:08:23 PM »
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    • The Mystical City of God was condemned for 5 reasons, one of which was globe earth.  Two thirds voted to condemn it and their reasons are listed.


    Regarding the condemnation of the Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda

    1. It violated the decree of Pope Urban VIII (March 13, 1625)
    2. It narrated apocryphal stories.
    3. It presented opinions of the Duns Scotus theological school as divine revelation.
    4. Mary of Agreda pictured the earth in the form of an egg, i.e. that the earth had a spherical shape.
    5. It exaggerated the cult of Our Lady to the extent of obscuring the great Mystery of the Incarnation.

    152 Masters of the Sorbonne discussed the Mystical City on thirty-two sessions, July 2-14, 1696.  102 of the 152 Masters voted against the book.

    At all events, Blessed Innocent signed the condemnation on June 26, 1681.


    In favor of Mary of Agreda, her views of creation probably only referred to the Globus cruciger  which reflected the Catholic view of the cosmos. That is, that the universe, not the earth was the shape of a globe. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #48 on: April 25, 2018, 04:26:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 25, 2018, 04:08:23 PM
    The Mystical City of God was condemned for 5 reasons, one of which was globe earth.  Two thirds voted to condemn it and their reasons are listed.
    This is false which I proved with suitable references the first time that happenby asserted it.  As usual, she ignores facts that refute her ideas and continues to make false claims.

    The problem that some had with Mystical City of God was that Sor Maria saw the earth as egg-shaped rather than a perfect sphere as was accepted by most Catholics.  

    For more details, see my earlier post on the subject: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/pope-urban-viii-makes-condemnation-because-of-spherical-earth/msg603009/#msg603009
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #49 on: April 25, 2018, 05:15:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on April 25, 2018, 04:26:15 PM
    This is false which I proved with suitable references the first time that happenby asserted it.  As usual, she ignores facts that refute her ideas and continues to make false claims.

    The problem that some had with Mystical City of God was that Sor Maria saw the earth as egg-shaped rather than a perfect sphere as was accepted by most Catholics.  

    For more details, see my earlier post on the subject: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/pope-urban-viii-makes-condemnation-because-of-spherical-earth/msg603009/#msg603009
    Sorry, the five reasons are not false.  The published book was in favor of Mary of Agreda and they still printed it because the condemnation reasons are true.  Just because you find someone to intervene with information to the contrary doesn't mean what they (or you) say is true.  Just the fact that you say that Columbus proved earth a globe shows the deceit in the statement.  Either by you, or the writer.  Either way, not good enough Jayne. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #50 on: April 25, 2018, 05:24:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 25, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
    Sorry, the five reasons are not false.  The published book was in favor of Mary of Agreda and they still printed it because the condemnation reasons are true.  Just because you find someone to intervene with information to the contrary doesn't mean what they (or you) say is true.  Just the fact that you say that Columbus proved earth a globe shows the deceit in the statement.  Either by you, or the writer.  Either way, not good enough Jayne.
    No one said the 5 reasons are false, but the "i.e. that the earth had a spherical shape." part was adding by yourself. Her model was condemned for being an egg shape rather than a perfect sphere, not for being a globe. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #51 on: April 25, 2018, 05:26:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 25, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
    No one said the 5 reasons are false, but the "i.e. that the earth had a spherical shape." part was adding by yourself. Her model was condemned for being an egg shape rather than a perfect sphere, not for being a globe.
    Lol.  As if egg and globe aren't the same as opposed to flat.  :facepalm:
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #52 on: April 25, 2018, 07:18:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 25, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
    No one said the 5 reasons are false, but the "i.e. that the earth had a spherical shape." part was adding by yourself. Her model was condemned for being an egg shape rather than a perfect sphere, not for being a globe.
    Actually, happenby did not add the "that the earth had a spherical shape" comment.  It was in her source - written by a farmer with a devotion to Sor Maria rather than by a scholar.  However, I located what seems to be the source's source, a scholarly historical work, and it is not there.  
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #53 on: April 25, 2018, 07:26:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 25, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
    Sorry, the five reasons are not false.  The published book was in favor of Mary of Agreda and they still printed it because the condemnation reasons are true.  Just because you find someone to intervene with information to the contrary doesn't mean what they (or you) say is true.  Just the fact that you say that Columbus proved earth a globe shows the deceit in the statement.  Either by you, or the writer.  Either way, not good enough Jayne.
    There are relatively objective means of determining the credibility of sources.  You seem to base your judgment of sources on whether or not they say what you want them too.  One cannot arrive at the truth this way; it merely confirms what one already believes.

    Since I do not think that Columbus proved that the earth is a globe, it is highly unlikely that I ever said so.  What I have posted is that all educated people at the time of Columbus already believed the earth is a globe so there was nothing for him to prove in that regard.  It is usually part of an anti-Catholic insult to say that people believed the earth was flat then and that he proved them wrong.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #54 on: April 26, 2018, 06:17:41 AM »
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    • I have just added to this debate by posting here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/pope-urban-viii-makes-condemnation-because-of-spherical-earth/new/#new

    In a nutshell, Domenico Cassini (1625-1712) confirmed Mary of Agreda (1602-1665)'s shape of the Earth as EGG-SHAPED in 1720. Story above.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #55 on: April 26, 2018, 10:55:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 25, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
    Lol.  As if egg and globe aren't the same as opposed to flat.  :facepalm:
    There was no "as opposed to flat". No one was so moronic as to believe in a flat earth. It was condemned for depicting an egg shaped earth AS OPPOSED TO A PERFECT SPHERE. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #56 on: April 26, 2018, 11:02:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 25, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
    Lol.  As if egg and globe aren't the same as opposed to flat.  :facepalm:

    Exactly!
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 11:03:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 26, 2018, 10:55:18 AM
    There was no "as opposed to flat". No one was so moronic as to believe in a flat earth. It was condemned for depicting an egg shaped earth AS OPPOSED TO A PERFECT SPHERE.
    Sorry, not possible.  Catholics believed in the dome or firmament (also described as an arch, as well as a tent in scripture) that sits above the earth and separates the water of the oceans from the waters above the dome.  Can't have a dome, arch or tent over a sphere...nor an egg.  It would have to be another circular encasement to fully surround the earth lest the poor blokes in Australia would have been left without.  Again and again these globalists continue to obfuscate and promote personal theory in favor of the modern science of the Freemasons over Scripture. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #58 on: April 26, 2018, 11:05:55 AM »
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    • Laughingly, back in the day it was supposedly an egg.  Then it became a perfect sphere.  And today, scientists tell us earth is pear shaped.  Which is it guys?  The cgi pictures provided by NASA show a perfect sphere in contrast to their claim that earth is pear shaped.  The globalists can't even keep track of their own lies. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 11:42:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 26, 2018, 11:03:11 AM
    Sorry, not possible.  Catholics believed in the dome or firmament (also described as an arch, as well as a tent in scripture) that sits above the earth and separates the water of the oceans from the waters above the dome.  Can't have a dome, arch or tent over a sphere...nor an egg.  It would have to be another circular encasement to fully surround the earth lest the poor blokes in Australia would have been left without.  Again and again these globalists continue to obfuscate and promote personal theory in favor of the modern science of the Freemasons over Scripture.
    You have no sources to suggest they believed that. 
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