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Online Mithrandylan

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2013, 03:18:27 PM »
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  • He wrote that ten years passed since he left the Society.  The letter was written in 2007, which means he left the SSPX in 1997.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #16 on: July 04, 2013, 03:29:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    He wrote that ten years passed since he left the Society.  The letter was written in 2007, which means he left the SSPX in 1997.  


    The letter did not mention when he left SSJ, but said that he had been at his current (2007) parish for a year.  He left ICKSP in 1998, which means sometime between then and 2006 (the year he came to the Florida chapel) he was at SSJ.  

    GA Coastal Trad, I'm not sure who said he left SSJ before the scandals, since as already mentioned, the scandals existed pretty much from the beginning.  And the timeline lines up in such a way that he would have been a member of SSJ during the worst of it.  Not an indictment, just want to make sure the facts are known.  It doesn't make any sense to say that he left before the scandals.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #17 on: July 04, 2013, 03:54:55 PM »
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  • It should not be too difficult to contact Fr Patrick Perez and ask him directly.

    Last I heard, he was in Garden Grove, CA.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #18 on: July 04, 2013, 04:34:19 PM »
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    "After 8 or so years Father left the SSJ ( prior to the Scandals in the order)because they were becoming liturgically liberal ( they were using the 1965 Missal)."

    Question:

    What year does Fr Robert claim to have left the SSJ?


    SSJ were horrifically"scandalous" from the beginning. The money troubles came later, shortly before they were finally shut down.

    There were only 18 of them.  No possible way that the behavior could have gone un-noticed.

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    « Reply #19 on: July 04, 2013, 04:50:03 PM »
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    "After 8 or so years Father left the SSJ ( prior to the Scandals in the order)because they were becoming liturgically liberal ( they were using the 1965 Missal)."

    Question:

    What year does Fr Robert claim to have left the SSJ?


    SSJ were horrifically"scandalous" from the beginning. The money troubles came later, shortly before they were finally shut down.

    There were only 18 of them.  No possible way that the behavior could have gone un-noticed.


    Elizabeth-

    While I am inclined to agree with you (ie., I was a postulant in the SSJ for 5 weeks in the summer of 1998, and left as soon as I heard weird talk about future plans for communal showers and sleeping arrangements), the man is a priest, and entitled to the norms of justice.

    Since the matter has been called into question, the Catholic position is to reserve judgment, and grant the most favorable benefit of the doubt, until such time as prima facie proof one way or the other emerges.

    Hence my recommendation that someone contact Fr Perez in CA, as it would seem he could render a definitive affirmation/refutation in the matter.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #20 on: July 04, 2013, 06:19:48 PM »
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  • Communal showers and sleeping arrangements?  That's what you put in under an emergency situation, like at a shelter or in a MASH unit.  Not just weird; plain old nasty!

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    « Reply #21 on: July 04, 2013, 06:26:34 PM »
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    There were quite a few former SSPX priests who wound up affiliated with the Society of St John, and they became affiliated with "Bishop" Timlin, and, several years later, Scranton Diocese is paying a major sex-abuse lawsuit for these "men." Some of these men worked themselves down to South America, to start over. Some of them became affiliated with other boys schools in the US. These schools have now, also, suffered the consequences of imprudently allowing these men to minister around young children.

    The devil is wild. You know full well that Our Lady said the leaders at the top will lose their faith; you know that Pope Leo witnessed the battle wherein the devil claimed he would be victorious in 100 years; you know full well that the Alta Vendita made it their prime objective to destroy the Catholic Church, and destroying the Catholic Mass was a necessary prerequisite.You know to destroy the Catholic Church, you need to destroy the priesthood of Jesus Christ. You know full well that Ratzinger made it official policy to just move the perverts around, and not have them punished ( this allowed the to magnify their perversions by many times-- all over the world). And you know that the Communists specifically recruited ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to become priests!

    Why be surprised that Tradition is under attacked? Of course we will be attacked! Even perverts will flock to tradition-- because they know they can ply their trade un-hampered! Right now, the true Sacrifice of the Mass is not being offered ANYWHERE else but in Traditional Chapels! Only in Traditional Chapels and Churches can the devil get the glee of destroying souls dedicated to Jesus Christ, of actually attacking Christ in His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
    So, pray for your priests. Support them. But be wary.



    Great post, hugeman.

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    « Reply #22 on: July 04, 2013, 06:37:06 PM »
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     I challenge anyone interested to find an article that convincingly proves Father's guilt originating from another website other than Renew America or Doctor Bond.


    Randy Engel.


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    « Reply #23 on: July 04, 2013, 06:45:33 PM »
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    Communal showers and sleeping arrangements?  That's what you put in under an emergency situation, like at a shelter or in a MASH unit.  Not just weird; plain old nasty!


    It was worse than that, tragically.

    The article titled, Exploiting Traditionalist Orders The Society of St. John

    by Randy Engel at http://www.newengelpublishing.com

    describes the abominations at St. Gregory's Academy, an enormous and beautiful campus which had to shut down because of the SSJ predators.

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    « Reply #24 on: July 04, 2013, 06:47:41 PM »
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     I challenge anyone interested to find an article that convincingly proves Father's guilt originating from another website other than Renew America or Doctor Bond.


    Randy Engel.


    See above.  Exploiting Traditionalist Orders

                       The Society of St. John

    by Randy Engel, author of The Rite of Sodomy.


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    « Reply #25 on: July 04, 2013, 07:15:10 PM »
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    Apparently a parishioner in the Chapel has a huge collection of docuмents disproving all of Dr Bond's allegations.



    Can I ask why Fr Dominic doesn't make use of the docuмents to correct the allegations?

    There were further allegations against Fr Dominic dating from his time with the SSJ and it makes no sense that he would let such damaging allegations against him stand unchallenged, if there's proof that they're false.


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    « Reply #26 on: July 04, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »
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    Apparently a parishioner in the Chapel has a huge collection of docuмents disproving all of Dr Bond's allegations.



    Can I ask why Fr Dominic doesn't make use of the docuмents to correct the allegations?

    There were further allegations against Fr Dominic dating from his time with the SSJ and it makes no sense that he would let such damaging allegations against him stand unchallenged, if there's proof that they're false.


    That's a good question.  Though, in truth, once the allegation of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct exists against a person (ESPECIALLY a man) there's not much he can do.  As he may realize this, I'm not sure his lack of addressing it is indicative of anything.  Once the allegation is out there, MOST people will believe what they choose to believe, and will not be swayed one way or the other.  Just look at the case of +Schuckhardt.  There are still websites (or at least one) devoted to his defense.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #27 on: July 05, 2013, 12:33:27 AM »
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  • Dear people,
    The questions being asked are serious ones. The matters involved
    are grave. Indeed, the physical and spiritual safety of our children may be
    at risk. But we also know that a woman or man is entitled to their
    good reputation. How would I be able to prove to 10,000 people I don't
    know that I'm not a serial murderer? Or that I'm not an unfaithful adulterer?
         You see, it would be impossible-- once those charges were spread. As impossible
    as trying to gather all the down feathers from a pillow once the pillow were ripped open,
    and the feathers scattered from the second floor balcony.
         This internet is a great medium, and has been used successfully to
    keep the faithful properly informed of  the snakes amongst us.But we have to make
    sure that , as the information touches someone's reputation, it passes the smell test:
    1) Is it true (not gossip, rumour,or speculation)? 2) Is it necessary to be said ( has the problem been resolved, have the hurt parties been made whole, has the behavior been corrected, etc) ?
    3) will I absolutely improve the situation by my discourse (is there a high risk it will happen again, etc)?

    So, let's take the advise given by other posters and contact the principals
    involved.

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    « Reply #28 on: July 05, 2013, 05:59:24 AM »
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    Dear people,
    The questions being asked are serious ones. The matters involved
    are grave. Indeed, the physical and spiritual safety of our children may be
    at risk. But we also know that a woman or man is entitled to their
    good reputation. How would I be able to prove to 10,000 people I don't
    know that I'm not a serial murderer? Or that I'm not an unfaithful adulterer?
    You see, it would be impossible-- once those charges were spread. As impossible
    as trying to gather all the down feathers from a pillow once the pillow were ripped open,
    and the feathers scattered from the second floor balcony.
    This internet is a great medium, and has been used successfully to
    keep the faithful properly informed of the snakes amongst us.But we have to make
    sure that , as the information touches someone's reputation, it passes the smell test:
    1) Is it true (not gossip, rumour,or speculation)? 2) Is it necessary to be said ( has the problem been resolved, have the hurt parties been made whole, has the behavior been corrected, etc) ?
    3) will I absolutely improve the situation by my discourse (is there a high risk it will happen again, etc)?

    So, let's take the advise given by other posters and contact the principals
    involved.


    I have basically said everything I know on this. The research I did convinced and convinces me that the allegations are false. If someone can prove otherwise, than please do so. This is a very serious issue, and if true he should be given the just punishment. If it is false however, than there is no reason why people shouldn't attend his Mass. I think it would be a good idea to contact the men who are involved and try to straiten it out. One other person I think it might be a good idea to contact would be Father Pfeiffer ( I don't know Father Pfeiffer, so if he does not like to be contacted, then it probably wouldn't be a good idea).  He has known Father Dominic since he first became a Priest and he is definitely well respected.

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    « Reply #29 on: July 05, 2013, 08:08:43 AM »
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    Dear people,
    The questions being asked are serious ones. The matters involved
    are grave. Indeed, the physical and spiritual safety of our children may be
    at risk. But we also know that a woman or man is entitled to their
    good reputation. How would I be able to prove to 10,000 people I don't
    know that I'm not a serial murderer? Or that I'm not an unfaithful adulterer?
         You see, it would be impossible-- once those charges were spread. As impossible
    as trying to gather all the down feathers from a pillow once the pillow were ripped open,
    and the feathers scattered from the second floor balcony.
         This internet is a great medium, and has been used successfully to
    keep the faithful properly informed of  the snakes amongst us.But we have to make
    sure that , as the information touches someone's reputation, it passes the smell test:
    1) Is it true (not gossip, rumour,or speculation)? 2) Is it necessary to be said ( has the problem been resolved, have the hurt parties been made whole, has the behavior been corrected, etc) ?
    3) will I absolutely improve the situation by my discourse (is there a high risk it will happen again, etc)?

    So, let's take the advise given by other posters and contact the principals
    involved.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."