Author Topic: "Padre Pio used the 1962 missal" debunked (Read 6691 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2013, 02:12:04 PM »

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Quote from: parentsfortruth
It's not hard to follow, even if you look on wikipedia.

There were a couple of times they had to put out new typical editions because of some corrections that needed to be made, in 1604, and then in 1634, but these were not to the ordinary of the Mass.

Benedict XV put one out standardizing the changes made to the missal by Pius X where he added feasts to the calendar.

The first major changes occurred in 1951, and weren't fully implemented until 1955 by Pius XII.

There hasn't been any changes whatever to the Ordinary (unchangeable parts) of the Mass since Quo Primum up until the addition of Saint Joseph by John XXIII. None. Whatever.

Wikipedia is hardly de fide! Anyone can write or edit articles on it, and although errors often (but not always) do get caught and corrected, at any given moment there's no guarantee that any purported fact in any Wikepedia article is correct.

Yes, and I agree, which is why I qualified it by saying "even if you look at wikipedia."

Here's confirming the voracity right here, and an interview totally worth listening to with Fr. Patrick Perez on the anomalies in the missals.

http://truerestoration.blogspot.com/2011/05/interview-with-father-patrick-perez.html

Please take a listen. He's a very good historian especially when it comes to the missals.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2013, 03:07:37 PM »

I should point out that he doesn't start talking about the missal problem until about 19-20 minutes into his interview. He spends about 20 minutes talking about how he went from the ICK, to the FSSP, and how he was ordained by Cardinal Stickler, and then he starts talking about the missal problem. So if you'd like to start there, that would be a good spot unless you want to hear the beginning of it where he talks about how he got where he was.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2013, 03:24:37 AM »

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Maybe Msgr. Perez knows if Padre Pio ever used the missal of John XXIII?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2013, 09:19:02 AM »

I wish I could listen to the rest of that interview, but I heard it costs upwards of $100 for the rest, and I'd rather spend that money driving down to Mass once a month, honestly.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #34 on:** July 19, 2013, 09:35:46 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

I wish I could listen to the rest of that interview, but I heard it costs upwards of $100 for the rest, and I'd rather spend that money driving down to Mass once a month, honestly.

Heiner wants to have his own corner on the market and cash in on
the crisis, apparently. The longer he hogs his material the less it
will get around, and it will basically only serve to protect the devil.

How would you like to answer to that in your final judgment?

dedalus · « **Reply #35 on:** July 19, 2013, 10:43:11 AM »

Neil Obstat/ParentsforTruth

Issue #1: You can buy the entire Fr. Perez interview for $9.99, not $100.

http://www.truerestorationmedia.com/purchase/perez1

If you want to watch it on your TV you can get the DVD for $20.

http://truerestorationpress.com/node/42

Issue #2: In order to keep the entire interview project going, I have to earn enough money to break even on my flights, rental car, and most expensively, video postproduction, in which a regular video gets rendered in HD for the web and for placement on my subscription site for download, not to mention the cost of building the website in the first place.

For those who can't afford a $150 annual subscription they can buy the $9.99 interview.

Now that's out of the way...

What Neil would know, if he had ever provided a job for anyone in his life (via owning businesses, like I have for the last decade), or had ever bothered to do the slightest research into what a project like mine would cost (creating a streaming site from the ground up, doing it in HD, etc. doesn't come for free). I, unlike Neil, perhaps, am not independently wealthy and hence cannot finance said venture out of my own pockets, so I "share" the cost with those who are willing to pay, and thankfully, we make enough to break even, but not much more.

You want to talk about "cornering the market for financial gain" talk to the people at the Remnant. They don't do anything other than that. I don't have that luxury. I have regular professions that pay my regular life so that I can afford (both time and money wise) to break even or lose money on True Restoration.

This is of course to say nothing of our radio broadcasts, with 4000 listeners in over 20 countries, which is provided FREE all the time. There's also our Youtube channel in which more than one interview is provided in full length FOR FREE (I put those out about a year after they were available to my subscribers). http://www.youtube.com/truerestoration

While my particular judgment will be heavy, for I am a sinful man, I won't go to it wondering about yours, Neil. I have better things to do. Like provide interviews with Traditional Clergy and laymen on topics that matter. I'll continue to be the main source for that, thanks to the support of others who are neither as myopic nor as ignorant as yourself.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #36 on:** July 19, 2013, 10:46:07 AM »

Thanks, when my mom told me it was over $100, I think she was talking about the sub for the year, not the video. I'm glad you cleared that up. I might just get it, because I'd really like to hear the rest of it.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #37 on:** July 19, 2013, 10:56:15 AM »

Quote from: dedalus

Neil Obstat/ParentsforTruth

Issue #1: You can buy the entire Fr. Perez interview for $9.99, not $100.

http://www.truerestorationmedia.com/purchase/perez1

If you want to watch it on your TV you can get the DVD for $20.

http://truerestorationpress.com/node/42

Issue #2: In order to keep the entire interview project going, I have to earn enough money to break even on my flights, rental car, and most expensively, video postproduction, in which a regular video gets rendered in HD for the web and for placement on my subscription site for download, not to mention the cost of building the website in the first place.

For those who can't afford a $150 annual subscription they can buy the $9.99 interview.

Now that's out of the way...

What Neil would know, if he had ever provided a job for anyone in his life (via owning businesses, like I have for the last decade), or had ever bothered to do the slightest research into what a project like mine would cost (creating a streaming site from the ground up, doing it in HD, etc. doesn't come for free). I, unlike Neil, perhaps, am not independently wealthy and hence cannot finance said venture out of my own pockets, so I "share" the cost with those who are willing to pay, and thankfully, we make enough to break even, but not much more.

You want to talk about "cornering the market for financial gain" talk to the people at the Remnant. They don't do anything other than that. I don't have that luxury. I have regular professions that pay my regular life so that I can afford (both time and money wise) to break even or lose money on True Restoration.

This is of course to say nothing of our radio broadcasts, with 4000 listeners in over 20 countries, which is provided FREE all the time. There's also our Youtube channel in which more than one interview is provided in full length FOR FREE (I put those out about a year after they were available to my subscribers). http://www.youtube.com/truerestoration

While my particular judgment will be heavy, for I am a sinful man, I won't go to it wondering about yours, Neil. I have better things to do. Like provide interviews with Traditional Clergy and laymen on topics that matter. I'll continue to be the main source for that, thanks to the support of others who are neither as myopic nor as ignorant as yourself.

Do you have to subscribe to the channel to watch the interviews you said are available? I don't see any of the Fr. Perez videos up there at all.

dedalus · « **Reply #38 on:** July 19, 2013, 11:27:35 AM »

Parents

It costs additional money to clip, edit, and render a video excerpt for youtube so we've started with our most recent interviews to integrate that process. We went back and did some, but not all, of our old videos. That's why the Fr. Perez video is not up - sorry about that. Even then, it would just be an excerpt :-)

Glad to have cleared up the misconception about pricing!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #39 on:** July 19, 2013, 09:52:30 PM »

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My apologies to you, dedalus a.k.a. Stephen Heiner.

I should know better than to rely on rumors. It's good to know
that someone is able to put together a production business that
doesn't constitute covering his primary living expenses. So I'd
like you to know that I'm glad you've done this for Catholic
Tradition.

All the best to you and yours.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #40 on:** July 19, 2013, 10:14:42 PM »

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Looking at the one-time download offer, it seems to me rather
unfortunate you have chosen Adobe Flash as your medium, since
it tends to crash a lot.

I haven't been able to watch anything longer than about 1 hour
on Flash, without having to restart my system, because it's
pretty old. The most convenient recordings I've used are the
VLC audios like the Verboten website has for Resistance priests,
which are free through Mediafire. I don't know if Mediafire has
any option for one-time playback like you're doing with Flash.

For example, here is a link to the recent audio of Fr. Hewko
on the 6th Sunday After Pentecost.

Note: click on the "Download" button to select your file preferences
so you can use the VLC player and volume controls.

dedalus · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2013, 01:19:54 AM »

Neil

agree that flash can be buggy, but that's only if you want to stream your one-time download. You can download it and watch it on whatever player you want. That might be a better solution for those who don't want to deal with Flash.