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Offline hollingsworth

Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2019, 09:21:23 PM »
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If a sacrament is a sacrament, then the grace is contained in it ex opera operato.

But whether or to what extent that grace is efficacious in the recipient is determined ex opera operantis.

Isn't it spelled 'opere?"  Please don't confuse us.  It's hard enough just juggling thoughts about grace received and grace conferred, or questioning matters of validity.  At Mass, I don't need to be thinking about tenors and sopranos prancing about on a stage in medieval garb.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2019, 09:30:31 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on October 27, 2019, 09:13:32 PM
I’m so glad the “neo-Resistance” has such an effective social media theologian as Sean Johnson.


I mean, if Sean wasn’t around to act as Cathinfo’s de facto moderator, we trads might believe...


the Novus ordo should be banned, that three Baptisms were more than enough and that jew Anglicans wouldn’t be canonized in a sane Catholic Church.


Thank you Sean for standing tall for the  neo-Resistance  :farmer:

From the woman who says I need my ass whooped several times.

You paragon of virtue, you!

I shall strive to replace theology with cartoons and pics to the level you have done!

What a joke!
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2019, 09:34:18 PM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on October 27, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Isn't it spelled 'opere?"  Please don't confuse us.  It's hard enough just juggling thoughts about grace received and grace conferred, or questioning matters of validity.  At Mass, I don't need to be thinking about tenors and sopranos prancing about on a stage in medieval garb.

Sorry for the typos, Holly.

Didn’t mean to tear your world apart.

It will all be better tomorrow.

But if not, you can always cry to the Bishop again like a little girl.

I’m sure he has nothing better to do than respond to your complaints!
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2019, 11:17:56 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 26, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
If validity is your only litmus test for attendance, then had you lived in England under Henry VIII, you’d certainly have become Anglican, whose rites were certainly valid for many decades.  
I didn't think Sean was saying you should go, only that if, being ignorant of the problems in the NO, you did go, while in a state of grace, and well disposed, you would receive grace from the valid sacrament.

I don't see how it makes sense to deny *that* unless you say its valid.

Its a separate question whether a man, knowing the issues, is ever justified in going to the Novus Ordo, or whether *such a man* would be truly well disposed.  But Sean suggested it would at the least be doubtful that that would be the case.
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Offline King Wenceslas

Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2019, 12:00:38 AM »
Post-conversion Newman on the creation of our first parents:


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“Does Scripture contradict Darwin’s Theory - was not Adam taken directly from dust? -Eccles 3:20 - yet we were never dust, we are from fathers. Why not the same be the case with Adam? I don’t know why Adam needs be immediately out of dust -Formavit Deus hominem de limo terrae - ( God formed man from the dust of the earth) I.e. out of what really was dust and mud in nature before he made it what it was.” Letter to E. F. Pusey (The Oratory, 5 June 1870)


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“Our first parents were formed immediately by God. Therefore we declare that the opinion of those who do not fear to assert that this human being, man as regards to his body, emerged finally from the spontaneous continuous change of imperfect nature to the more perfect is clearly opposed to Sacred Scripture and to the Faith” - Council of Cologne, 1860 (granted papal approbation by Pius IX)
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"We record what is known to all, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, formed man from the slime of the earth and breathed life into him..," (Arcanum Divinae Sapientiae, Leo XIII).
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