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Offline Incredulous

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"No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
« on: October 20, 2019, 08:53:00 PM »
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    Dear TIA,
     
     Greetings from Germany.


    Just a quick hello from Germany ;-)
    I love TIA very much and would like to thank you for your apostolate!


    I do, however, disagree with your stand on attending the SSPX-masses: No honest Catholic should attend their masses, in fact, I consider it to be a great obstacle for keeping up the un-compromised Catholic Faith and the spirit of fight against Modernism.

    The leaders of the SSPX have a dangerous and deceitful policy and they are the worst hypocrites because they pretend to be in line with ABL whereas in reality they are in bed with modernist Rome.

     My family was with the SSPX for over 30 years until we discovered in 2012 their dealings with Rome, secret negotiations as part of the GREC-group, their branding, money-making via Krah, etc. etc..

     By their masses they get the faithful on the hook only to brainwash them, little by little, putting un-catholic thinking into their minds (the superiors know best, stop criticizing the Pope, focus on the Mass and the sacraments, etc.).


    We are not our own theologians, we need true Catholic priests to rely on, not priests who have to eat the bread of the SSPX.
    I do not doubt their good faith but then I actually could go to the FSSP, too.

     Today I came across some news about the newly "consecrated church" of Poing, a small town near Munich, Bavaria. I thought you might perhaps add the pictures of it to your already existing gallery of ugliness and monstrosity:

     Special thanks to Mrs. Marian T. Horvat for the youtube series about Our Lady of Good Success (here and here) wonderful!

          Viva Cristo Rey!


         C.F., Germany

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #1 on: October 20, 2019, 09:10:04 PM »
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  • I’d go to an fssp if I had nothing else.  All that said sspx is safer in terms of orders if anyone doubts that 


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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #2 on: October 20, 2019, 11:22:57 PM »
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    Dear TIA,
     
     Greetings from Germany.


    Just a quick hello from Germany ;-)
    I love TIA very much and would like to thank you for your apostolate!


    I do, however, disagree with your stand on attending the SSPX-masses: No honest Catholic should attend their masses, in fact, I consider it to be a great obstacle for keeping up the un-compromised Catholic Faith and the spirit of fight against Modernism.

    The leaders of the SSPX have a dangerous and deceitful policy and they are the worst hypocrites because they pretend to be in line with ABL whereas in reality they are in bed with modernist Rome.

     My family was with the SSPX for over 30 years until we discovered in 2012 their dealings with Rome, secret negotiations as part of the GREC-group, their branding, money-making via Krah, etc. etc..

     By their masses they get the faithful on the hook only to brainwash them, little by little, putting un-catholic thinking into their minds (the superiors know best, stop criticizing the Pope, focus on the Mass and the sacraments, etc.).


    We are not our own theologians, we need true Catholic priests to rely on, not priests who have to eat the bread of the SSPX.
    I do not doubt their good faith but then I actually could go to the FSSP, too.

     Today I came across some news about the newly "consecrated church" of Poing, a small town near Munich, Bavaria. I thought you might perhaps add the pictures of it to your already existing gallery of ugliness and monstrosity:

     Special thanks to Mrs. Marian T. Horvat for the youtube series about Our Lady of Good Success (here and here) wonderful!

          Viva Cristo Rey!


         C.F., Germany
    Those pictures of the newly consecrated church are atrocious.
    Did the faithful SSPXers go along with these plans, or were they blindsided?
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2019, 04:35:51 AM »
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  • Those pictures of the newly consecrated church are atrocious.
    Did the faithful SSPXers go along with these plans, or were they blindsided?
    That "church" is certainly atrocious, but it is not an SSPX church. The writer is sending the photos for TIA to add their collection of ugly new order church buildings. 
    A closer look reveals a good collection of future priestesses. There are far too many people for an SSPX church and no woman has a head covering.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2019, 04:59:43 AM »
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  • As a matter of interest, this article gives the state of the Church in the same diocese, Munich.

    Münich: Laymen in Charge of Parishes Without Priests - District of the USA
    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/münich-laymen-charge-parishes-without-priests-29361

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2019, 05:59:42 AM »
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  • Who is the SSPX District Superior for Germany?

    I’ve heard multiple times that Germany is the most liberal SSPX District in the world.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2019, 06:28:05 AM »
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  • Ugly = satan
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2019, 06:58:48 AM »
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  • So Bishop Richard Williamson says it is OK to attend a novus ordo mass (if you cannot get to another mass), I believe I heard him say this recently.

    But it is not OK to attend an SSPX mass?

    So where, practically speaking, does one attend a mass if they are not with a 4 hour drive of an independent priest TLM with valid holy orders?


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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2019, 09:14:58 AM »
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  • So Bishop Richard Williamson says it is OK to attend a novus ordo mass (if you cannot get to another mass), I believe I heard him say this recently.

    But it is not OK to attend an SSPX mass?

    So where, practically speaking, does one attend a mass if they are not with a 4 hour drive of an independent priest TLM with valid holy orders?
    Are you presuming that one "has to " attend Mass at all costs even if it is in union with the Conciliar Church?

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2019, 09:23:01 AM »
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  • So Bishop Richard Williamson says it is OK to attend a novus ordo mass (if you cannot get to another mass), I believe I heard him say this recently.

    Citation please?

    Pretty sure you are mistaken.

    Ps: As regards the OP, this person obviously endorses the “red light” position (which is not endorsed by the Resistance bishops).

    This position was cooked up by Fr. Pfeiffer in order to get his apostolate off the ground, and he will have to offer an explanation to God for it.

    To reject a perfectly orthodox local Mass because the SSPX is going bonkers elsewhere seems insufficient to dispense one from fulfilling his obligation (and I am living proof that it does not endanger your faith).

    I fear the bar is set very high in measuring how serious and proximate/immediate tge threat must be to justify robbing God of our duty to him, and I fear many zealous but simple types have been led astray by the arguments adduced in favor of the red light position.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2019, 09:45:52 AM »
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  • Holy Communion is the Bread of Life, that Daily and Super-Substantial Bread which we ask for daily in Our Lord's Prayer, and which His Holiness Pope St. Pius V, the Catechism and Council of Trent, and His Holiness Pope St. Pius X in a special decree says we should strive to receive daily, and strive to live in such a way as to profit from such daily reception. "These words declare plainly enough the wish of the Church that all Christians should be daily nourished by this heavenly banquet and should derive therefrom more abundant fruit for their sanctification." Link

    Our Lord Jesus seems to connect final perseverance in grace with regularly eating of His Flesh, and threatens those who neglect to do so with reprobation and eternal loss. "The Communion is called the bread of heaven; because as the body cannot live without earthly food, so the soul cannot live without this celestial bread. Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you (John, vi, 54).

    But on the other hand, to those who frequently eat this bread, is promised eternal life. If any man eat of this bread he shall live forever (John, vi, 52). Hence the Council of Trent calls the Communion a medicine which delivers us from venial, and preserves us from mortal sins (Sess. 13, cap. 2)." Link

    The SSPX is by far and away the best place in the Traditional Catholic world to assist at daily or at least weekly Sunday Mass, and receive Holy Communion after Sacramental Confession as often as possible, especially in these godless times. Please do not so much wish to harm your own soul that you stay away from Mass and Holy Communion at SSPX chapels/parishes when you can easily assist. But at the very least, if you do so, then learn how to make Spiritual Communions, and begin to do so frequently. It may well take a 1000 Spiritual Communions to reach that degree of grace which a single Sacramental Communion would effect in a disposed recipient.

    "The Blessed Angela of the Cross, a Dominican nun, was accustomed to make a hundred Spiritual Communions every day and a hundred more every night, and she used to say: "If my confessor had not taught me this method of communicating, I could scarcely live." If you ask how she could make so many, I answer with St. Augustine: "Give me a lover, and he will understand; give me a soul that loves nothing but Jesus Christ, and she will know how to do it." Source

    Spiritual Communions are important, and should be made hourly or even more frequently. But always go to receive Sacramental Communion as often as possible, if you love the souls of yourselves and your families, and truly desire to save them. That's all I can say. Saying we should stay away from Traditional Catholic Masses, as if we could easily obtain Sacramental Graces without them, is a mistake imo. Every time we receive Holy Communion with love and devotion, not only are our venial sins forgiven, but we are preserved from falling into mortal sin in future. Why would we not go all the time, and daily if possible? We surely should imho.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.


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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #11 on: October 21, 2019, 05:19:32 PM »
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  • Citation please?

    Pretty sure you are mistaken.

    Ps: As regards the OP, this person obviously endorses the “red light” position (which is not endorsed by the Resistance bishops).

    This position was cooked up by Fr. Pfeiffer in order to get his apostolate off the ground, and he will have to offer an explanation to God for it.

    To reject a perfectly orthodox local Mass because the SSPX is going bonkers elsewhere seems insufficient to dispense one from fulfilling his obligation (and I am living proof that it does not endanger your faith).

    I fear the bar is set very high in measuring how serious and proximate/immediate tge threat must be to justify robbing God of our duty to him, and I fear many zealous but simple types have been led astray by the arguments adduced in favor of the red light position.
    "The golden rule is this.  Do whatever you need to nourish your faith". Bishop Richard Williamson

    I can see that the new mass might not nourish your faith, (I would not attend one myself), but I do not see how an SSPX TLM would not nourish your faith, unless, you allowed your personal views of the priest or the sect of Traditionism to override your obligation to attend mass.

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2019, 05:50:40 PM »
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  • "The golden rule is this.  Do whatever you need to nourish your faith". Bishop Richard Williamson

    I can see that the new mass might not nourish your faith, (I would not attend one myself), but I do not see how an SSPX TLM would not nourish your faith, unless, you allowed your personal views of the priest or the sect of Traditionism to override your obligation to attend mass.

    This is not an example of BW saying “You can go to the Novus Ordo Mass if you cannot get to the TLM.”

    If it was, you would have quoted him saying it.

    He is simply acknowledging what Archbishop Lefebvre acknowledged:  That grace can pass even at a NOM, and in exceptional circuмstances, one might attend it if not attending it would cost you your faith/soul (eg., necessity).

    Also, I am not arguing against attending SSPX Masses (I regularly attend one).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2019, 08:21:20 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson is no Father Wathen.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: "No honest Catholic should attend an SSPX Mass"
    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 08:32:11 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson is no Father Wathen.
    Deo gratias for that!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."