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Offline holysoulsacademy

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"NO AGREEMENT, JUST RECOGNITION"
« on: February 24, 2014, 10:11:18 AM »
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    FEAST OF SAINT MATTHIAS, APOSTLE

    In this video interview, Fr. Rostand discuss the facts about the Society of St. Pius X and its relations with Rome.

    Starting at 11:20, Fr. Rostand mentions that the term agreement is confusing, because agreement would mean something like agreeing on doctrine and goes on to say that the SSPX seeks NO agreement JUST recognition.

    But isn't the Declaration a doctrinal agreement that is the groundwork for recognition?


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    "NO AGREEMENT, JUST RECOGNITION"
    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 11:03:38 AM »
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  • After viewing the video interview, I emailed SSPX U.S. with the following inquiries:

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    Sirs:
    When was this interview conducted?  Was it done while Benedict was still pope?  What does "recognition" mean?  Are you trying to tell us that "recognition" by Rome would not be accompanied by some kind of an 'agreement?'  One can hardly imagine that Rome would recognize the Society canonically and not demand that SSPX formally accept Vatican II and the New Mass as legitimate.  In fact, Benedict did inform +Fellay in June 2012 that these above conditions must be met, did he not?  
    Fr. Rostand speaks of words, evidently from the mouth of the Archbishop after the 1988 consecrations.  He indicates that His Lordship said that negotiations, or talks, or contacts with Rome would commence again in a couple of years thereafter.  Can you point us to these words of the Archbishop?  Personally, I have no record of them.  Thank you.


    For those of you who have emailed the U.S. District in the past, you will probably remember the little message which follows the receipt of emails sent to the Kansas based headquarters:

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    Thank you for your email!

    We will respond to it as soon as possible, but apologize for any delay that might occur;


    When and if I get an answer, I'll pass it on.


    Offline holysoulsacademy

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    "NO AGREEMENT, JUST RECOGNITION"
    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 11:50:00 AM »
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  • I believe this is the final cut from which the bloopers on the other thread were from.
    Seeing this video in light of the bloopers video really paints a sinister picture of the state of affairs within the SSPX.

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    "NO AGREEMENT, JUST RECOGNITION"
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 12:23:32 PM »
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  • People observing this PR exercise could well see it as just another 'protestant' church (albeit of short duration) wanting closer ties with Rome and even integration if the terms were right. Gone are the days of seeing oneself as the last of the few carrying the flame for the Church.

    The reasoning of Fr. R on behalf of Menzingen starts with the post-V2 church recognising the Society, then kicking it out followed by years of negotiation with the irregularity slowly being reduced and finally ending. Doctrine has no part to play in a practical solution. In no way can it now be denied that the ultimate objective of the modern SSPX is to co-exist alongside other Ecclesia Dei bodies inside the conciliar church. And if Rome does not want it, it can pretend that but for internal church politics it is always a willing particpant.