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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: John Grace on July 15, 2012, 09:06:06 AM
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Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???
It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.
Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?
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I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, perhaps you could point us to a few examples?
I see loads of criticism of Bishop Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, and others, some of it just and charitable, and much of it vicious and quite shocking.
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I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, perhaps you could point us to a few examples?
I see loads of criticism of Bishop Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, and others, some of it just and charitable, and much of it vicious and quite shocking.
Never mind the criticisms... take the PUNISHMENTS as example, it'll be simpler to understand.
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I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson
You are blind and delusional then.
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Good point John Grace.
The ousting of Bishop Williamson was oh so novus ordo and not very Christ like behavior..
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When Bishop Lebvre and many other were being persecuted and excommunicated by the "Church"
, the church protected, lied and coveruped priests who were raping and molesting innocent children. There are not many new seminarians in novus ordo because they were sɛҳuąƖly harrassed... and they are still lying and protecting using obedience as an excuse and saying it was for the good of the church.
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The novus ordo has many evil clergy today and yet no action is taken infact, many are often rewarded and promoted.
The good ones in the novus ordo are ostracized, threatened or ousted.
Recently, the Church removed a priest from washington DC diocese because he refused a lesbian budist woman communion during a funeral mass. "They threw him under the bus".
At Notre Dame we watched as many catholics were arrested for praying the Rosary because Pres. Obama was there. Father Jenkins was rewarded and Bishop Darcy quckly removed and dealt with. Also, Obama made sure that all crucifixes were removed.
Our local novus ordo priest was shipped to Austrailia because he was too pro life during his sermons.
The bottom line swift action is taken against good priests within novus ordo and the bad ones are rewarded and even promoted.
I'm sure one of the phases was to get rid of Bishop Williamson to prepare the next phase.
Many novus ordo are into carl jung too..
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Margaret can be consoled though as there is great support for the Bishop in Ireland and around the world. All that needs to be asked of those who do criticise him is where has he not upheld the doctrines and teachings of the church? He is not beyond criticism but where is he at odds with church teaching?
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The novus ordo has many evil clergy today and yet no action is taken infact, many are often rewarded and promoted.
The good ones in the novus ordo are ostracized, threatened or ousted.
Recently, the Church removed a priest from washington DC diocese because he refused a lesbian budist woman communion during a funeral mass. "They threw him under the bus".
At Notre Dame we watched as many catholics were arrested for praying the Rosary because Pres. Obama was there. Father Jenkins was rewarded and Bishop Darcy quckly removed and dealt with. Also, Obama made sure that all crucifixes were removed.
Our local novus ordo priest was shipped to Austrailia because he was too pro life during his sermons.
The bottom line swift action is taken against good priests within novus ordo and the bad ones are rewarded and even promoted.
I'm sure one of the phases was to get rid of Bishop Williamson to prepare the next phase.
Many novus ordo are into carl jung too..
Whilst Notre Dame was red rotten and no longer Catholic long before the Obama visit. He isn't even American but that is another topic. Many non Catholics were shocked at the arrest of the late Fr Norman Weslin.
And whilst on the topic of the crucifix, Roberto Fiore and the excellent Forza Nuova movement have been active in the fight to keep the crucifix in public buildings in Italy.
I mention him as I read calumny being spread about over on the Catholic Truth blog.
Who was outside the Nigerian embassy in Italy recently highlighting the persecution of Christians in Nigeria but the excellent Forza Nuova movement. The ambassador was so impressed, he brought them in inside to thank them.
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I had to leave the novus ordo. It is getting worse. I have many friends and family including clergy who are still in novus ordo too.
I don't want to become an accomplice of sin. I want God, Our Blessed Mother and the true Catholic Mass and sacraments of my ancestors who were persecuted for the faith. "The faith of our Fathers"...
I am a sinner but I want to be a better Catholic.
I want to go to Heaven to be with God. I want my husband to go to heaven too. And I want other people's soul saved too.
It seems that everyone ends up selling the catholic faith and taking the faith.
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yes, you are so right. RIP Father Weslin.
At least there were many novus ordo bishops in ireland who were ready to resign.
In America, there has been very little remorse and the truth hurts.
Is there any sSpx chapels near Ardara, Ireland. I remember visiting a Church that it was Catholic but everything was in Irish. What church ws that?
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Bishop Williamson should be Pope.
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Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple.
Answer them: "I just think it is imprudent to ignore the advice of the three bishops, specially when it calls for no changes to what the SSPX has always done.
PS - since Fellay is ignoring the advice of the three bishops and SSPX of 40+ years, it is actually the Fellay-ites that are following a personality, they are the groupies.
I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary
Answer them: "Then you are saying that the SSPX was in schism for 40+ years, and that the three bishops are in schism, and that the Fellay followers are not now in schism if they go with Rome. And that makes sense to you?"
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It's not about Bishop Willamson vs Fellay, it is about the three bishops, and everything the SSPX has done for 40+ years, vs. One man, Fellay, changing everything.
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I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson
You are blind and delusional then.
I'm reading all the forums except AQ at the moment, and I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, but plenty of Bishop Fellay.
If it's so obvious, why not post a few examples?
Is this McKeever woman the extent of it?
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I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson
You are blind and delusional then.
I'm reading all the forums except AQ at the moment, and I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, but plenty of Bishop Fellay.
If it's so obvious, why not post a few examples?
Is this McKeever woman the extent of it?
You're going by forums? And just a few small forums at that. Ridiculous.
The examples can be multiplied.
The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself. His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.
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The examples can be multiplied.
The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself. His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.
The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them. Right.
If all that Margaret Rooney meant was that Bishop Fellay and Fr. Pfluger have criticised Bishop Williamson, then why did she speak about people who attend SSPX chapels? It seemed clear enough that she was talking about her fellow-parishioners, not Bishop Fellay.
Then, when her thread developed on IA, the comments revealed that in the opinion of others, SSPX parishioners don't dislike Bishop Williamson at all.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205&view=findpost&p=22019371
And Benerngaria answers by saying that in her experience SSPX parishioners don't dislike Bishop W. either.
So it looks like a bit of a beat-up to me. (And, for what it's worth, the people who go to my local SSPX chapel don't dislike him either. I can't think of one who dislikes him.)
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The examples can be multiplied.
The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself. His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.
The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them. Right.
I just did point them out. I could go back and find a myriad of comments condemning Bishop Williamson, and you know it. From SSPX priests, laity, posters on Catholic forums, etc. And what's more you know it's true.
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this is highly embarrassing and disturbing. I cannot believe anyone could intentionally deny such an important bit of history. I used to respect the good Bishop, but he must realise that what he says or does has great repercussions else where. The gas chambers and whatnot DID EXIST. Their death tolls may have been exaggerated or false stories circulated to gain sympathy etc, but the Bishop's comments are still unwarranted and uncalled for.
Its SICKENING to see catholics go all-out to accuse those who show a bit of restraint over this matter as "over-emotional" or "hysterical". I will have some people on the forum berating me for being emotional over this issue in a minute, but all i can say is that some have acted as if they were themselves emotionally attached to the act of denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst, due to certain prejudices which should be removed in such an instance.
Pretty sure the girl above has entered the convent.
This is so embarrassing. I don't know why he felt the need to comment on the gas chambers anyway.
That's a girl from a Vennari video Matthew posted.
The dislike of Bishop Williamson and anything "kooky" (against Jєωιѕн conspiracy) is intense. And it is often expressed, though those who dislike Bishop Williamson are trying to marginalize him so they do not talk as much as they did before.
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The examples can be multiplied.
The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself. His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.
The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them. Right.
I just did point them out. I could go back and find a myriad of comments condemning Bishop Williamson, and you know it. From SSPX priests, laity, posters on Catholic forums, etc. And what's more you know it's true.
It goes without saying that whenever you are a true sign of contradiction- you draw fire. I am often in a position of defending Bishop Williamson within my own chapel, and have met very few who would follow suit. The SSPX is populated more and more by Catholics who just want a nice little feel-good sermon from the priest and then go back to living their regular life. Bishop Williamson does not give that sort of sermon, write that sort of letter or newsletter, therefore he draws fire.
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It goes without saying that whenever you are a true sign of contradiction- you draw fire. I am often in a position of defending Bishop Williamson within my own chapel, and have met very few who would follow suit. The SSPX is populated more and more by Catholics who just want a nice little feel-good sermon from the priest and then go back to living their regular life. Bishop Williamson does not give that sort of sermon, write that sort of letter or newsletter, therefore he draws fire.
The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.
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The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.
OK, so the criticism of Bishop Williamson has been silenced?
Why are we seeing an entire thread to discuss something which even his fans say is not happening in the parishes, and is not (now) happening online?
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The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.
OK, so the criticism of Bishop Williamson has been silenced?
Why are we seeing an entire thread to discuss something which even his fans say is not happening in the parishes, and is not (now) happening online?
A very valid question.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
Yes, I must admit, personally I don't know many (if any) people who dislike him. As you say, the greater number of Trad Catholics that I know support him.
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Yes, "By their fruits we shall know them"..
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Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???
It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.
Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?
That's the problem with Ignis Ardens.
The forum moderators have an agenda.
They're inherently biased towards Fellay soft-liners and even give cover
to tribe members who infiltrate the forum to "stir the trad pot".
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Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???
It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.
Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?
I think I have the answer to this question:
Why is H.E. disliked so much by SSPX people?
+Williamson has not been afraid to speak up on topics that most people find
intimidating, like the so-called h0Ɩ0cαųst, like the MSM version of 911, like the
conspicuous deference paid to everything Jєωιѕн by Roman Catholic clergy,
especially those in authority, and like the Judaizing influence of all the Vatican II
reforms. Therefore, since these topics make most people cringe "for fear of the
Jєωs" (Jn vii. 13), they prefer to dislike the messenger instead of the message,
because that way they can rid themselves of responsibility for opposing the
message. It's basic human, fallen nature.
This also explains why +Fellay was supported at the GC for banning H.E.'s
attendance. It also explains why +Fellay wanted to keep H.E. from attending
in the first place: he is kissing up to the Judaizers in Rome, who demand it!
For it is better that one man be given up for the people.