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Offline GertrudetheGreat

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"Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2012, 10:07:16 PM »
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    The examples can be multiplied.

    The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself.  His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.



    The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them.  Right.

    If all that Margaret Rooney meant was that Bishop Fellay and Fr. Pfluger have criticised Bishop Williamson, then why did she speak about people who attend SSPX chapels?  It seemed clear enough that she was talking about her fellow-parishioners, not Bishop Fellay.

    Then, when her thread developed on IA, the comments revealed that in the opinion of others, SSPX parishioners don't dislike Bishop Williamson at all.

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205&view=findpost&p=22019371

    And Benerngaria answers by saying that in her experience SSPX parishioners don't dislike Bishop W. either.  

    So it looks like a bit of a beat-up to me.  (And, for what it's worth, the people who go to my local SSPX chapel don't dislike him either.  I can't think of one who dislikes him.)

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #16 on: July 15, 2012, 10:19:37 PM »
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    The examples can be multiplied.

    The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself.  His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.



    The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them.  Right.


    I just did point them out.  I could go back and find a myriad of comments condemning Bishop Williamson, and you know it.  From SSPX priests, laity, posters on Catholic forums, etc.  And what's more you know it's true.






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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 10:26:35 PM »
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    this is highly embarrassing and disturbing. I cannot believe anyone could intentionally deny such an important bit of history. I used to respect the good Bishop, but he must realise that what he says or does has great repercussions else where. The gas chambers and whatnot DID EXIST. Their death tolls may have been exaggerated or false stories circulated to gain sympathy etc,  but the Bishop's comments are still unwarranted and uncalled for.

    Its SICKENING to see catholics go all-out to accuse those who show a bit of restraint over this matter as "over-emotional" or "hysterical". I will have some people on the forum berating me for being emotional over this issue in a minute, but all i can say is that some have acted as if they were themselves emotionally attached to the act of denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst, due to certain prejudices which should be removed in such an instance.


    Pretty sure the girl above has entered the convent.

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    This is so embarrassing. I don't know why he felt the need to comment on the gas chambers anyway.


    That's a girl from a Vennari video Matthew posted.

    The dislike of Bishop Williamson and anything "kooky" (against Jєωιѕн conspiracy) is intense.  And it is often expressed, though those who dislike Bishop Williamson are trying to marginalize him so they do not talk as much as they did before.





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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 10:30:46 PM »
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    The examples can be multiplied.

    The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself.  His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.



    The examples can be multiplied, but you can't point to them.  Right.


    I just did point them out.  I could go back and find a myriad of comments condemning Bishop Williamson, and you know it.  From SSPX priests, laity, posters on Catholic forums, etc.  And what's more you know it's true.



    It goes without saying that whenever you are a true sign of contradiction- you draw fire. I am often in a position of defending Bishop Williamson within my own chapel, and have met very few who would follow suit. The SSPX is populated more and more by Catholics who just want a nice little feel-good sermon from the priest and then go back to living their regular life. Bishop Williamson does not give that sort of sermon, write that sort of letter or newsletter, therefore he draws fire.

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #19 on: July 15, 2012, 10:33:20 PM »
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    It goes without saying that whenever you are a true sign of contradiction- you draw fire. I am often in a position of defending Bishop Williamson within my own chapel, and have met very few who would follow suit. The SSPX is populated more and more by Catholics who just want a nice little feel-good sermon from the priest and then go back to living their regular life. Bishop Williamson does not give that sort of sermon, write that sort of letter or newsletter, therefore he draws fire.


    The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.


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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 11:53:36 PM »
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    The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.


    OK, so the criticism of Bishop Williamson has been silenced?

    Why are we seeing an entire thread to discuss something which even his fans say is not happening in the parishes, and is not (now) happening online?

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #21 on: July 16, 2012, 08:38:04 AM »
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    The neo-trads in the +Fellay orbit have largely withdrawn (and here we've purged some of them) from forums like this and Ignis Ardens.


    OK, so the criticism of Bishop Williamson has been silenced?

    Why are we seeing an entire thread to discuss something which even his fans say is not happening in the parishes, and is not (now) happening online?


    A very valid question.

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
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    Yes, I must admit, personally I don't know many (if any) people who dislike him. As you say, the greater number of Trad Catholics that I know support him.

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #22 on: July 16, 2012, 02:48:01 PM »
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  • Yes, "By their fruits we shall know them"..
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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #23 on: July 16, 2012, 05:37:07 PM »
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    Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
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    Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
    He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
    Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
    It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???


    It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.

    Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?




    That's the problem with Ignis Ardens.
    The forum moderators have an agenda.
    They're inherently biased towards Fellay soft-liners and even give cover
    to tribe members who infiltrate the forum to "stir the trad pot".




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #24 on: July 16, 2012, 06:34:38 PM »
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    Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
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    Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
    He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
    Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
    It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???


    It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.

    Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?



    I think I have the answer to this question:

    Why is H.E. disliked so much by SSPX people?

    +Williamson has not been afraid to speak up on topics that most people find
    intimidating, like the so-called h0Ɩ0cαųst, like the MSM version of 911, like the
    conspicuous deference paid to everything Jєωιѕн by Roman Catholic clergy,
    especially those in authority, and like the Judaizing influence of all the Vatican II
    reforms. Therefore, since these topics make most people cringe "for fear of the
    Jews" (Jn vii. 13), they prefer to dislike the messenger instead of the message,
    because that way they can rid themselves of responsibility for opposing the
    message. It's basic human, fallen nature.

    This also explains why +Fellay was supported at the GC for banning H.E.'s
    attendance. It also explains why +Fellay wanted to keep H.E. from attending
    in the first place: he is kissing up to the Judaizers in Rome, who demand it!

    For it is better that one man be given up for the people.
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