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Offline John Grace

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"Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
« on: July 15, 2012, 09:06:06 AM »
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  • Great topic and question here from Margaret Rooney

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10205
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    Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple. I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary. No one seems to say specifically what he has said or done that is schismatic.
    He does not appear to have contradicted any of the doctrines of the Church and anytime I listen to him he appears to be speaking the truth.
    Why is he disliked so much by SSPX people?
    It is obvious why modernist Rome dislike him but the SSPX members???


    It is time to turn the table on those within SSPX circles who dislike the Bishop. Criticism is to be expected from the likes of Rorate Caeli and those part of the veneer of Tradition but those who attend SSPX and attack the Bishop, I ask like Margaret does.

    Where has he contradicted the doctrines of the church and what is this schismatic mentality?


    Offline GertrudetheGreat

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 09:08:17 AM »
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  • I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, perhaps you could point us to a few examples?

    I see loads of criticism of Bishop Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, and others, some of it just and charitable, and much of it vicious and quite shocking.


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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 10:19:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: GertrudetheGreat
    I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, perhaps you could point us to a few examples?

    I see loads of criticism of Bishop Fellay, Fr. Pfluger, and others, some of it just and charitable, and much of it vicious and quite shocking.


    Never mind the criticisms... take the PUNISHMENTS as example, it'll be simpler to understand.

    And now, we have a perfectly liberal Pope, my very dear brothers. As he goes to this country [the United States]which is founded upon Masonic principles, that is, of a revolution, of a rebellion against God. And, well, he expressed his admira

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 12:34:38 PM »
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    I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson


    You are blind and delusional then.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 12:40:44 PM »
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  • Good point John Grace.


    The ousting of Bishop Williamson was oh so novus ordo and not very Christ like behavior..
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 12:47:15 PM »
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  • When Bishop Lebvre and many other were being persecuted and excommunicated by the "Church"



    , the church protected, lied and coveruped priests who were raping and molesting innocent children.  There are not many new seminarians in novus ordo because they were sexually harrassed...  and they are still lying and protecting using obedience as an excuse and saying it was for the good of the church.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 12:55:10 PM »
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  • The novus ordo has many evil clergy today and yet no action is taken infact, many are often rewarded and promoted.

    The good ones in the novus ordo are ostracized, threatened or ousted.

    Recently, the Church removed a priest from washington DC diocese because he refused a lesbian budist woman communion during a funeral mass.  "They threw him under the bus".

    At Notre Dame we watched as many catholics were arrested for praying the Rosary because Pres. Obama  was there.  Father Jenkins was rewarded and Bishop Darcy quckly removed and dealt with.  Also, Obama made sure that all crucifixes were removed.

    Our local novus ordo priest was shipped to Austrailia because he was too pro life during his sermons.

    The bottom line swift action is taken against good priests within novus ordo and the bad ones are rewarded and even promoted.  


    I'm sure one of the phases was to get rid of Bishop Williamson to prepare the next phase.

    Many novus ordo are into carl jung too..
     
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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 12:55:45 PM »
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  • Margaret can be consoled though as there is great support for the Bishop in Ireland and around the world. All that needs to be asked of those who do criticise him is where has he not upheld the doctrines and teachings of the church? He is not beyond criticism but where is he at odds with church teaching?


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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2012, 01:00:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    The novus ordo has many evil clergy today and yet no action is taken infact, many are often rewarded and promoted.

    The good ones in the novus ordo are ostracized, threatened or ousted.

    Recently, the Church removed a priest from washington DC diocese because he refused a lesbian budist woman communion during a funeral mass.  "They threw him under the bus".

    At Notre Dame we watched as many catholics were arrested for praying the Rosary because Pres. Obama  was there.  Father Jenkins was rewarded and Bishop Darcy quckly removed and dealt with.  Also, Obama made sure that all crucifixes were removed.

    Our local novus ordo priest was shipped to Austrailia because he was too pro life during his sermons.

    The bottom line swift action is taken against good priests within novus ordo and the bad ones are rewarded and even promoted.  


    I'm sure one of the phases was to get rid of Bishop Williamson to prepare the next phase.

    Many novus ordo are into carl jung too..
     


    Whilst Notre Dame was red rotten and no longer Catholic long before the Obama visit. He isn't even American but that is another topic. Many non Catholics were shocked at the arrest of the late Fr Norman Weslin.


    And whilst on the topic of the crucifix, Roberto Fiore and the excellent Forza Nuova movement have been active in the fight to keep the crucifix in public buildings in Italy.

    I mention him as I read calumny being spread about over on the Catholic Truth blog.

    Who was outside the Nigerian embassy in Italy recently highlighting the persecution of Christians in Nigeria but the excellent Forza Nuova movement. The ambassador was so impressed, he brought them in inside to thank them.

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
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  • I had to leave the novus ordo.  It is getting worse.   I have many friends and family including clergy who are still in novus ordo too.  

    I don't want to become an accomplice of sin.   I want God, Our Blessed Mother and the true Catholic Mass and sacraments of my ancestors who were persecuted for the faith.  "The faith of our Fathers"...

    I am a sinner but I want to be a better Catholic.
    I want to go to Heaven to be with God.  I want my husband to go to heaven too.  And I want other people's soul saved too.  

    It seems that everyone ends up selling the catholic faith and taking the faith.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2012, 01:11:41 PM »
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  • yes, you are so right.  RIP Father Weslin.  

    At least there were many novus ordo bishops in ireland who were ready to resign.

    In America, there has been very little remorse and the truth hurts.

    Is there any sSpx chapels near Ardara, Ireland.  I remember visiting a Church that it was Catholic but everything was in Irish.   What church ws that?
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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2012, 01:30:35 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson should be Pope.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 01:43:11 PM »
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    Since I have voiced my I concern over the agreement with Rome I have been labelled as a Bishop Williamson groupie or disciple.


    Answer them: "I just think it is imprudent to ignore the advice of the three bishops, specially when it calls for no changes to what the SSPX has always done.

    PS - since Fellay is ignoring the advice of the three bishops and  SSPX of 40+ years, it is actually the Fellay-ites that are following a personality, they are the groupies.




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    I keep hearing that he has a schismatic mentality and that he is so disobedient that his expulsion is necessary


    Answer them: "Then you are saying that the SSPX was in schism for 40+ years, and that the three bishops are in schism, and that the Fellay followers are not now in schism if they go with Rome. And that makes sense to you?"
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    It's not about Bishop Willamson vs Fellay, it is about the three bishops, and everything the SSPX has done for 40+ years, vs. One man, Fellay, changing everything.

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2012, 09:08:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson


    You are blind and delusional then.


    I'm reading all the forums except AQ at the moment, and I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, but plenty of Bishop Fellay.

    If it's so obvious, why not post a few examples?

    Is this McKeever woman the extent of it?

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    "Its all Bishop Williamsons fault!"
    « Reply #14 on: July 15, 2012, 09:19:34 PM »
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    I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson


    You are blind and delusional then.


    I'm reading all the forums except AQ at the moment, and I don't see much criticism of Bishop Williamson, but plenty of Bishop Fellay.

    If it's so obvious, why not post a few examples?

    Is this McKeever woman the extent of it?


    You're going by forums?  And just a few small forums at that.  Ridiculous.

    The examples can be multiplied.

    The best examples though, are from Bishop Fellay himself.  His letter to Bishop Williamson, his letter to the three bishops, and his public comments.


     

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