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Offline hollingsworth

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"It is a sad state of affairs."
« on: October 07, 2015, 12:03:30 PM »
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  • Winding down the basic contents of Fr. Voigt’s letter.

    Learn just how seriously out of control Pablo's behavior has been, and how, apparently, little is done to correct that behavior:
     
    My dear Fr. Pfeiffer you are either so busy flying around the world seeking to save souls that you simply forget your responsibilities or you are hiding from them.  You are so much show.  Everything is to push your agenda which is anything but an imitation of the good and holy Archbishop.  When will you learn to use your gifts in the manner that glorifies God.  If you wish to save a soul, then begin with the Pablo at your side.  Teach him to pray, to make visits in the chapel, to assist at the holy mass, to give good example to the world around him.  Do this and you will win my admiration.
     
    Finally, I want to expose the aliases of your favorite person, pablo the m exican.
     
    Pablo becomes Marco Andolino when he wants to say nasty things about others on the internet.  He is Paul Hernandez who seeks to become “one who must be obeyed,” [ed. Note: according to Fr. Pfeiffer’s  own mother.]    He is a coward, a thief and a hindrance to your mission.  He is creating a hateful environment for the seminarians.  Already I know of three that went elsewhere to continue their formation and all because of your attachment to this man.
     
    Consider what you asked me to do when you and Fr. Hewko went to the Philippines for the diaconate ordination. [ed. Note: A trip lasting 10 days]  You asked me to guide the seminarians in the work of cleaning up the entrance, preparing the woods for the stations of the cross and leading the prayers and community life.  Who challenged me on the question of leadership that very Saturday:  pablo the m exican.  He withdrew his services and said the cooking staff was now on vacation.  I was given no funds for food (I paid); I was given no cooperation for the work with the young men; I was disrespected in front of all.  Despite that I carried on the mission.  The work was done; the place looked beautiful and pleasing.
     
    When you returned you failed to uphold the priestly authority over the layman. This is lay investiture at its worst.  This is a seminary and he is an employee. It was at that point that you lost my respect and trust.  I am sorry it took place but you placed me in conflict with Pablo and I will not hesitate to do my duty.  You failed to judge by the fruit that was evident.  Fr. Hewko recognized it but  you were more concerned with pablo the m exican.  By the way, I learned that the weekly food budget of Pablo was $750.  Funny, we were able to have good meals and it only cost me $200 and I was not all day in the supermarket but  worked daily with the seminarians.
     
    While Pablo was on vacation I told him I didn't want him in the priest's house and I locked the doors at midnight.  He came and tried to get in at 1:30 a.m.
    He broke a window.  Was he ever corrected?  What gives him the right to the priests' house.  What gives him the right to take over the bishop's room?  Why
    not give him your room or purchase a trailer for him?  In my mind he is the boss and you are a pawn in his hands.  He is there continuously and you only  
    a few days at a time.  You want the titles; he wants the power.  It is a sad state of affairs.  


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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 12:44:35 PM »
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  • If the man will not listen to his own Mother, how will you change him?

    As I have said elsewhere. This whole affair is a grand mess and a shameful disgrace.

    The Chief and the Indians are definitely off the Reservation.............


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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 01:49:31 PM »
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  • So Pablo gets $750 a week for food, when Fr. Voigt managed to buy food for only $200 a week. And note that Fr. Voigt emphasized that he wasn't "couponing" or spending extra time trying to save money. He just bought regular food and left.

    So, like Judas before him, Pablo "was a thief, and having the purse, carried the things that were put therein."

    But really, what do you expect from a superstitious apostate who avoids the Mass like a vampire?
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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 02:29:29 PM »
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  • Wait, how many seminarians do they have? How many people live at the complex? $750 for food is outrageous! I feed 6 mouths a week and our budget is around $120 a week.

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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 03:25:47 PM »
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  • From what I understand Father Voigt was dragged through the mud and unjustly so. There is nothing that you can drag him through the mud for again unless you join yourself to the slanderer.

    As to his alleged "not remembering correctly", it would seem that he has an almost photographic memory and his honesty is beyond question and yet some devotees continue to cast doubt about his veracity. There is a great deal of ill will emanating from Boston it seems.

    The only person who I have heard who will not divulge the whole story is you.

    What is known is very damning, what you could add to clear up any confusion  could do nothing but good to all involved.

    As an aside, if someone were stocking up at the butcher shop weekly at a price of  a large part of $750.00, they must have enough frozen meat to last for years.




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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 05:33:09 PM »
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  • "Manuel" reports correctly.  He writes that Father spent $200 on food.  But, it appears, "Manuel" himself paid for $200 of food, also.  Two separate purchases?  I don't know.  But this seminarian is not reporting incorrectly.  Father writes:

    "YES,  it is true that Martin purchased some lunch meats for the next day but I don't know if it amounted to $200 because I did not go with him to purchase."  

    Father tells me that he learned about the $750 a week from another seminarian, who accompanied him on another food buying expedition.
     
    In any case, Father V. began to ask to see the financial records about how the money was spent, as well as how much comes in.  But, he tells me, "They refused to answer my request."  


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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 06:11:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: ManuelChavez
    I will not drag Father Voigt or Pablo through the mud any further. I am grateful to Father Voigt for his advice, for the Mass and the sacraments. I hope and pray for a peaceful resolution to this current crisis. I ask again for more understanding and endless charity towards all.


    But Manual don't you see you are playing right into their game?  You believe you are bringing a close to these discussions but in fact you are not.  You are keeping the pot stirred.  I know you truly care about charity and you want all parties involved to live in harmony together but the people opposing you are blind.  Why are they blind?  Because you are not spending enough time in front of the Blessed Sacrament praying for them.  Instead you waste your efforts on this board, trying to use human solutions to supernatural problems.  

    Dear Brother in Christ cease these attempts to be the negotiator and instead take your concerns to the One True Negotiator.  I want you to spend this evening in prayer and quiet contemplation instead of casting yours pearls of great wisdom before swine.    

    So, log off, get out your Breviary, and pray, pray, pray for love, peace and charity to come over this website.  Make a visit to the Blessed Sacrament.  Perhaps you need to combine fasting with your prayers.  

    You can win them over with your silence and your prayers.

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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 06:34:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth

      In any case, Father V. began to ask to see the financial records about how the money was spent, as well as how much comes in. But, he tells me, "They refused to answer my request."  



    That is very very serious. This man was with them from the very beginning, and I mean the beginning!
    He gave his heart to this venture and sacrificed much to do it. For that to happen is inexcusable period!

    It appears that he became the odd man out when he began to push for the correction of serious problems, and for his desire for things to proceed in the proper manner he has received shabby and shameful treatment.

    Sad does not cover it anymore an un-Catholic state of affairs it a more accurate description.



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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #8 on: October 09, 2015, 12:13:43 AM »
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  • I can't believe this mess is so bad that we're arguing over lunchmeat. God help us.

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    "It is a sad state of affairs."
    « Reply #9 on: October 09, 2015, 08:21:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    I can't believe this mess is so bad that we're arguing over lunchmeat. God help us.

    Yes, its all baloney.................