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Offline X

Re: "Is There a Conciliar Church?" by Bishop TdM
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2019, 02:31:45 PM »
Quote from: Alexandria on June 01, 2019, 02:26:04 PM
Holli, I agree with you.

Pity, because you are in agreement with a man who can't even read an article, nor properly identify its author!

What hope is there, then, that he could come to any proper conclusions?!

Mr. Hollingsworth:

Had you the capacity to read, you would have realized that the article was written by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais (not me), and therefore your conclusions that his article is "long diatribes, filled with sophistries, meandering and endless argumentation, faulty logic, tortured theology and puzzling equivocation" says more about your reading comprehension and intellectual horsepower than it does about the author.

Perhaps you need a quiet vacation somewhere to settle your frazzled nerves?
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Offline Meg

Re: "Is There a Conciliar Church?" by Bishop TdM
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2019, 03:29:36 PM »
As it says in the beginning of the article, this study by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais was first published by the Dominicans of Avrille in 2013. The study is a compilation based on the words and writings of +ABL. It has a certain amount of Bp. Tissier de Mallerais' personal assessment or opinion of +ABL.

Bp. Fellay had the study suppressed; presumably (IMO) because it reflects what +ABL stood for, and what the SSPX of old stood for. Evidently, Bp Tissier de Mallerais had not yet got on board with the new direction of the SSPX at that time.

IMO, the bottom line of what the article says is that the Church has not defected, because there are still elements from the true Catholic Church that are present in the conciliar church.

Sedevacantists and sedewhatevers are not going to agree with it of course. 

There will come a time when the idea of a conciliar church is just a distant memory, so it's good to provide a reminder by posting this article. After all, the Neo-SSPX doesn't use the phrase 'conciliar church' anymore. They say 'official church'  instead. 

Sedevacantists dominate tradition outside of the SSPX, and they don't believe in the idea (for the most part) of a conciliar church, so eventually, there will be few who will still understand what it means. 
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: "Is There a Conciliar Church?" by Bishop TdM
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2019, 04:18:48 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 01, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
IMO, the bottom line of what the article says is that the Church has not defected, because there are still elements from the true Catholic Church that are present in the conciliar church.


I didn’t read the article.  I saw in the intro that the premise being put forward is that the Conciliar pope is also the Roman Pontiff.  Talk about tradcuмenism!


But wait, does the article really claim that elements of the Catholic Church are present in the Conciliar Church and that for this reason we cannot say the Church has defected?  So in other words, the Catholic Church is dependent on the Conciliar Church for its existence?  Maybe Hollingsworth was fortunate not to have slogged through the whole thing.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: "Is There a Conciliar Church?" by Bishop TdM
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2019, 04:30:57 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on June 01, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
But wait, does the article really claim that elements of the Catholic Church are present in the Conciliar Church and that for this reason we cannot say the Church has defected?  So in other words, the Catholic Church is dependent on the Conciliar Church for its existence?  Maybe Hollingsworth was fortunate not to have slogged through the whole thing.
And isn't this exactly what Vatican II says about the (other) non-Catholic churches?  So much so that they are also means of salvation?
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: "Is There a Conciliar Church?" by Bishop TdM
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2019, 04:36:51 PM »
Quote from: X on June 01, 2019, 02:31:45 PM
Pity, because you are in agreement with a man who can't even read an article, nor properly identify its author!

What hope is there, then, that he could come to any proper conclusions?!

Mr. Hollingsworth:

Had you the capacity to read, you would have realized that the article was written by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais (not me), and therefore your conclusions that his article is "long diatribes, filled with sophistries, meandering and endless argumentation, faulty logic, tortured theology and puzzling equivocation" says more about your reading comprehension and intellectual horsepower than it does about the author.

Perhaps you need a quiet vacation somewhere to settle your frazzled nerves?
And given you, Sean, like to post using various names even on the same forum, one could make the logical conclusion that you are deceitful and no one should look to you for the Truth. ;)
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