Author Topic: "I went even further than I should have done." (Read 860 times)

Orinoco · « **on:** April 12, 2013, 04:00:25 PM »

"Our true faithful, those who understand the problem and have precisely helped us to pursue the straight and firm line of Tradition and the Faith, feared the initiatives I took in Rome.

"They told me that it was dangerous and that I was wasting my time.

"Yes, of course, I hoped until the last minute that at Rome they would show a little bit of loyalty. You can not blame me for not doing the maximum.

"So now, to those who say to me, you must come to an understanding with Rome, I think I can say that I went further even than I should have done."
(Archbishop Lefebvre, Fideliter, no. 79, Jan/Feb 1991)

This quote reflects a happier time when Archbishop Lefebvre seemingly listened to and understood criticism, without having recourse to sanctions and exclusions, and then recognised that the "true faithful" were the "hard-liners" after all... and not the supporters of a "necessary reconciliation."

How long till the "mea culpa" from Menzingen?

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2013, 04:15:31 PM »

A CLEAR BRAKE!

Or for the Fellayites: "The hermeneutic of rupture"

MyrnaM · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2013, 04:47:44 PM »

Looking back into history, words for you have been composed:

MEMINISSE IUVAT
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII JULY 14, 1958

24. The society which Christ founded can be attacked, but not defeated, for she draws her strength from God, not from man. And yet, there is no doubt that she will be harassed through the centuries by persecutions, by contradictions, by calumnies -- as was the lot long ago of her Divine Founder -- for He said: "If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also."[11] But it is equally certain that, just as Christ our Redeemer rose in triumph, so the Church shall someday win a peaceful victory over all her enemies.

25. Have confidence, therefore; be brave and steadfast soldiers. We wish to counsel you in the words of St. Ignatius, martyr, although We know you do not require such counsel: "Serve Him for whom you fight. . . May none of you desert Him! Your baptism must be a shield; your faith a helmet; your charity a lance; your patience a suit of armor. Your works should be your credentials, so that you may be worthy to receive your reward."[12]

26. And the beautiful words of Bishop St. Ambrose should give you sure hope and unwavering courage: "Hold on to the tiller of faith so that the rough winds of this world may not bandy you. The sea is vast and large, but do not fear; for he has established it (the earth) upon the water, and set it firmly upon the rivers.[13] And so it is understandable that the Lord's Church stands unmoved among the waves of this world, for she is built on the apostolic rock and holds fast to her foundation, unmoved by the onslaughts of the raging sea.[14] She is battered by the surf, but is not shaken. The physical elements of this world crash with thunder about her, but she provides a safe port for those who toil on the deep."[15]

Raphaela · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »

And in contrast to Archbishoop Lefebvre above:

Quote

Interview by Pierre de Bellerive of Nouvelles de France; February 15, 2013

Your Excellency, would you appreciate it if the last major act of Benedict XVI’s pontificate could be the reintegration of the Society of St. Pius X?

Bishop Bernard Fellay: For a moment I thought that, with his resignation, Benedict XVI would perhaps make a final gesture in our favor as pope. That being said, I have a hard time seeing how he could do so. We will probably have to wait for the next pope. I will even go so far as to say, at the risk of surprising you, that the Church has more important problems than the Society of St. Pius X, and in a way, it is by resolving these problems that the problem of the Society will be solved.

Would you like to say anything about Vatican Council II?

Bishop Bernard Fellay: As far as Vatican II is concerned, just like for the Mass, we believe that it is necessary to clarify and correct a certain number of points that are either erroneous or lead to error. That being said, we do not expect Rome to condemn Vatican II any time soon. She can recall the Truth and discreetly correct the errors, while preserving her authority. Nonetheless, we think that the Society contributes to the Lord’s edifice by denouncing certain disputed points.

http://sspx.org/superior_generals_news/pope_benedicts_last_major_act_bishop_fellay_interview_2-15-2013.htm

So still looking for an agreement, as of two months ago. And no more burning the Council docuмents, as Bishop Tissier recommended, but a bit of gentle tweaking, so the Conciliar Church doesn't lose face. And the SSPX is "a problem". It certainly is - now.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2013, 05:41:36 PM »

There is no "discreet" way to reject the neo-modernism of conciliarism.