Author Topic: "Eleison Comments" 273 by Mgr. Williamson (Read 5277 times)

Kelley · « **on:** October 05, 2012, 08:19:21 PM »

Number CCLXXIII (273) 6 October 2012

MORE AMMUNITION

Enjoying the privilege of having a variety of friends shooting at me from all directions, I cannot bear the thought of them running out of ammunition, so here is a collection of bullets and shells gathered from the battlefield. The comments came from priests, layfolk and Sisters, mainly upset by a certain episode in modern history being denied on Swedish TV in November of 2008. (And yet... and yet...) As Americans say, “Enjoy !”

“That bishop has a strong temperament with much prestige and authority, so he could not bear not being Number One in the Society of St Pius X. Wishing then to make himself a name in the history books, but realizing that at 68 years of age he would have no more chance of being elected Superior General, he detonated on Swedish TV the “Revisionist Bomb” in order to get attention and come out top dog. To gain influence he was willing to risk splitting the SSPX.”

“He decided on all-out provocation by the broadcast in order to throw a monkey-wrench into the Rome-SSPX talks which he disapproved of. But being in a subordinate position, only by such a scandal could he stop the dialogue and the agreement that might have come of it.”

“He loves provoking because he is an infiltrator, a former Anglican who is still basically hostile to the Catholic Church. Any Rome-SSPX agreement he wanted to block, because it would be too favourable to the SSPX, i.e. to the Catholic Church.”

“He is an illuminated supernaturalist, a conspiracy nut, obsessed with the Jєωιѕн peril. He sees the Apocalypse coming tomorrow. Neither he nor Revisionism are serious.”

“He has natural qualities that make him worldly and ambitious. He is used to everybody paying him homage. He used to have influence over many people, and he was treated like a little god when he was still travelling. However, because of his personal qualities he is proud and jealous of Bishop Fellay, so out of envy and resentment he let loose on Swedish TV.”

“Actually, long before the Swedish affair he was too political and too independent of the rest of the SSPX, whose spirit he did not entirely share. In 2004 he publicly attacked the leadership of the SSPX for its jansenizing spirit and its supernaturalism. In reality he was merely settling personal accounts, as churchmen are liable to do.”

“His originality goes with a complete lack of sense of responsibility, which is why he rode that anti-semitic hobby-horse of his in public without a thought for the harm he might do to Tradition. In fact he was manipulated by Fascists and Neo-pagans, or at least he was exploited by them. He was not out for personal power on that occasion, but he is unpredictable, and he is not to be trusted.”

And all these things are being said about me ! I just love the attention !

Kyrie eleison.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 05, 2012, 08:37:24 PM »

Who is the author supposed to be?

It looks like they are preparing for a split with character assassination.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:20:51 PM »

Oh and this is why I love the mighty +Williamson. He's in the trenches, fighting that good fight! :nunchaku:

bernadette · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:22:39 PM »

Evidently, it is a collection of sentiments from priests, layfolk, and Sisters...mainly regarding the Swedish Television interview...boy, there are sure are a lot of rotten people in the world, and some of the worst are so called "religious"....+Williamson has had to endure some of the most hateful and vile treatment I have ever witnessed...one brother bishop participating while the two other brother bishops stood silently by.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:28:47 PM »

Quote from: bernadette

Evidently, it is a collection of sentiments from priests, layfolk, and Sisters...mainly regarding the Swedish Television interview...boy, there are sure are a lot of rotten people in the world, and some of the worst are so called "religious"....+Williamson has had to endure some of the most hateful and vile treatment I have ever witnessed...one brother bishop participating while the two other brother bishops stood silently by.

Yes, it is perfidy on the part of some, weakness on the part of others.

Bishop Williamson had been making revisionist statements for nearly 20 years, and the SSPX leadership was just humoring him all this time?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:30:25 PM »

Nasty, liberal French sleazebags, effete anglos and snotty, unintelligent females.

Ethelred can tell us about the Germans.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2012, 09:42:30 PM »

These people accusing Bishop Williamson could and would say the same things about the Archbishop if Bishop Fellay were in the same position relative to themselves as he is now - ie their cult leader.

If they don't care about the Jєωs trying to corrupt the Catholic Faith, not to mention wreaking havoc on society and manipulating governments to start wars and attack the moral order, then are turncoats. They are liberals, they are enemies of the Catholic religion.

Zenith · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2012, 11:24:04 PM »

I am interested in the point about +Williamson "attacking" the SSPX leadership in 2004. Does anyone have anymore information and detail of this if it did happen?

God bless Bishop Williamson!

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2012, 11:27:53 PM »

Quote from: Zenith

I am interested in the point about +Williamson "attacking" the SSPX leadership in 2004. Does anyone have anymore information and detail of this if it did happen?

God bless Bishop Williamson!

Yeah, the Jansenism charge was particularly interesting.
There's a "we are Church" attitude, especially among some of the
French members of the SSPX.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2012, 12:03:09 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

There's a "we are Church" attitude, especially among some of the French members of the SSPX.[/color]

I don't know if it's Jansenist per se, but the French, in general, seem to be the most obsessed with being controlling.

Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2012, 01:16:39 PM »

I've met the other three SSPX bishops, but have not had the honor of meeting H.E. Bishop Williamson. What a great warrior he is . . . and with a sense of humor to boot!!! This is a man who can take a punch--in fact, several--and laugh it all off. Thin-skinned he definitely is not! God bless him!!!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2012, 03:51:34 AM »

Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx

I've met the other three SSPX bishops, but have not had the honor of meeting H.E. Bishop Williamson. What a great warrior he is . . . and with a sense of humor to boot!!! This is a man who can take a punch--in fact, several--and laugh it all off. Thin-skinned he definitely is not! God bless him!!!

I would recommend that you owe it to yourself to look for the next opportunity
to meet him. You will be pleasantly surprised. He came to an independent
chapel in my area many years ago, when the SSPX was still a reasonable image
of what it had been under ABL. He gave a sermon on the occasion of
confirmations that was without question the most powerful sermon I had ever
heard in my life. When he was through with that, I had then lived to hear
what a real bishop sounds like. And after Mass he posed for photographs with
everyone who waited in line, which were quite a few. He was very easy to
talk to. And always a lively sense of humor. I have to wonder how many such
appearances he has made over the years. He just made another one in Brazil
a few weeks ago. How fortunate all those people all over the world have been
to have his personal attention and counsel.

I just realized that I'm having an emotional reaction to the calumnies and
pretentious drivel his critics have said about him in the quotes he provides.

Someone should write his biography before it's too hard to collect the stories.
I'm sure he would make himself available for someone who is qualified.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2012, 12:44:54 PM »

Quote

Yeah, the Jansenism charge was particularly interesting.
There's a "we are Church" attitude, especially among some of the
French members of the SSPX.

I have heard many SSPX priests say that the SSPX is "the Guardian of the Faith".
Who appointed them for this role? Pride goes before the fall.
Now that the cracks of resistence are starting to show, the "Guardians" are showing true cult tactics to control the Sheep. Obey.......or be expelled.

Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2012, 01:57:25 PM »

I would recommend that you owe it to yourself to look for the next opportunity
to meet him. You will be pleasantly surprised. He came to an independent
chapel in my area many years ago, when the SSPX was still a reasonable image
of what it had been under ABL. He gave a sermon on the occasion of
confirmations that was without question the most powerful sermon I had ever
heard in my life. When he was through with that, I had then lived to hear
what a real bishop sounds like. And after Mass he posed for photographs with
everyone who waited in line, which were quite a few. He was very easy to
talk to. And always a lively sense of humor. I have to wonder how many such
appearances he has made over the years. He just made another one in Brazil
a few weeks ago. How fortunate all those people all over the world have been
to have his personal attention and counsel.

I just realized that I'm having an emotional reaction to the calumnies and
pretentious drivel his critics have said about him in the quotes he provides.

Someone should write his biography before it's too hard to collect the stories.
I'm sure he would make himself available for someone who is qualified.
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Thank you for that wise advice, Neil Obstat. I will definitely keep a lookout for him! . . . With what clarity Bishop Williamson speaks and writes. The intellectual/spiritual heavy-weight that he is, I have not once walked away confused or scratching my head after listening to his many recorded lectures or reading his brilliant pieces. A photo-op one day a definite plus!

Kelley · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2012, 03:17:40 PM »

Triumph Communications is a great source for Bsp Williamson conferences (Audio)...

"The Faith In Crisis Series" is outstanding!

http://www.triumphcommunications.net/rwilliamson.html