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Offline Neil Obstat

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FRs. JOE PFEIFFER FRANCOIS CHAZAL
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 02:26:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Emerentiana
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    The problem is, the Pope has made the irregular situation.  The Pope is the
    one who created a very irregular situation in the Church:

    when the vicar of Christ began to profess heresy,
    and the Vicar of Christ began to lead souls to hell,
    and the Vicar of Christ opened the evil Council of Vatican II,
    and the Vicar of Christ continued to promote that Council,
    and the Vicar of Christ instituted a new mass,
    and the Vicar of Christ continued this new mass, with all the new theology
    that goes along with it, leading to the damnation of millions of souls.  




    This statement is totally absurd and false!  A Vicar of Christ (a true one ) would NEVER do these things!
    If I had to believe that we have a  True Pope who is doing these things, I would not be a Catholic!




    I was going to put in there

    The problem is, the Pope has made the [situation irregular].  
    The Pope is the one who created a very irregular situation in the Church:


    But I thought it would be better not to tamper so much with the wording.




    I can't fault you for your opinion, Emerentiana.  You are entitled to that.  These
    are very confusing times, and it's really challenging to make sense of some
    things.  If it were only this simple, it might be less confusing, but it seems to me it
    isn't this simple.  That's my opinion.  

    Certainly this defection from the Faith of our Fathers has never happened before
    in the history of the Church.  But does that mean it's impossible?  Look at the
    Arian heresy.  BEFORE that happened, there had never been anything like it in
    the history of the Church.  Did that mean that it was impossible?  The Church was
    practically overrun with heretics, but never have any of the ordinations or
    episcopal consecrations of those years been annulled or invalidated.

    It seems to me that along with becoming Pope, there is a tremendous grace from
    God that only goes to the Pope.  But the nature of grace is such that it requires
    our cooperation with it.  Anyone who receives grace is capable of rejecting it.  
    That is the power of the human free will.  At some point, not even God can make
    someone love Him -- that is, He COULD do so, but then what would He have, a
    video game to play with?  A robot?  God wants our willing assent by our own
    free will, and you can hardly blame Him because that is an inestimably beautiful
    thing to behold.  It is the essence of true joy and goodness and beauty.  It is an
    eternal virtue and God is the essence of eternal.  

    Along with becoming Pope is a tremendous grace from God that only goes to
    the Pope, but the Pope is not unable to say "no" to that grace.  He can push it
    away by his own hard will.  And it most certainly appears that is what happens
    with Modernism.  The Modernist has all manner of sophisticated reasons that
    he does not have to accept the traditional teachings of the Church.  The problem
    has begun when teachers of Modernist theology have had access to the youth
    whom they have taught before the youth can have a chance to study the
    perennial philosophy of the Church as transmitted to us by St. Thomas Aquinas.
    And what happens next is, the youth who learn "modern philosophy" first before
    studying philosophia perennis, become incapable of learning it.  Their minds
    are buttressed by error at the most FUNDAMENTAL level, at the first seed of
    thought itself.   In computer language, we say "the root sector is damaged."
    And the erstwhile Father Ratzinger did in fact study Modernist philosophy first.
    Then, when he tried to learn St. Thomas, he actually failed the course.  So he
    never did learn what the Church would have him learn at the foundation level
    of thought itself.  No wonder he's got these problems.

    You are really very fortunate to be able to hold this contrary opinion and keep
    your Catholic faith.  Perhaps God in His infinite mercy has seen fit to provide you
    with this safety capsule to get you through these times.  I would only urge you
    to not be too closed-minded, for you would not want to be unable to accept the
    miraculous opening of the Traditions of the Church one day, hopefully soon,
    when a restoration would take place.   I know trads who are convinced this will
    not happen and that the Last Days are upon us.  I don't think they are correct.  
    But that is my opinion..  However, it seems to me that my opinion gives me a  
    more resilient and responsive basis, as it could well occur that 30 years more
    could go by and we'll be saying then, "those guys in 2012 who thought the world
    was going to end sure had it wrong!"  At the same time, it is Scriptural that
    the world will be going on as ever when the Second Coming happens, "like a
    thief in the night."  I would prefer to be prepared for either possibility.






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