Author Topic: "Crisis in the SSPX" Conference (Read 17337 times)

Raphaela · « **on:** March 21, 2013, 05:58:53 PM »

Advertised in The Recusant and on the website:

http://www.therecusant.com

"Crisis in the SSPX" Conference - Saturday 1 June - Sunday 2 June, but no other information available yet. Anyone interested should email them (see under "Contact Us") on the website, so they can get an idea of numbers. They can accommodate 80 people so far, but are prepared to find a larger venue if necessary.

(It may have stopped snowing in England by then!)

miserere nobis · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2013, 04:42:46 PM »

Are there anymore details (speakers, venue location etc.)?

TheRecusant · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2013, 05:52:26 AM »

Fr. Pfeiffer is coming to speak at it.

It's in London.

Futher details are being confirmed.

TheRecusant · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2013, 01:29:09 PM »

Further details here:

http://www.therecusant.com/london-conference

hugeman · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2013, 03:38:35 PM »

Should be a very interesting conference!

Also, a conference coming up in Vienna, Virginia, home of Father Ringrose. it will be an anniversary celebration of the consecrations! go the the websites for further details.

Great sermon of Archbishop Lefebvre, on the occasion of his anniversary:

www..comSave Our SSPX- Save Our Souls

TheRecusant · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2013, 03:48:38 PM »

http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/26360619-1984-immaculate-heart-consecration

At the June "Crisis in the SSPX" Conference, in London, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko will renew the 1984 Consecration of the SSPX to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Fr. Kramer will also be present.
In recent years, Bishop Fellay was asked by a priest to renew the Immaculate Heart Consecration. He refused. I believe that the Consecration has not been renewed since 2009 (but am open to correction on that point).

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »

Maybe His Lordship should be invited?

The SSPX-Resistance would have it's hands full preparing pre-submitted questions for Msgr. Fellay, such as:

The lack of further Consecrations of the SSPX to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; Max Krah, European corporations; derivative investments, the Jaihofer fund, the Virginia mega-seminary, the "Six Conditions"; the Doctrinal preamble; the secret response to the Doctrinal preamble; Father Pfluger's letter to Bp. Williamson; Max Krah's letter to Bp. Williamson; the expulsion of XYZ priests; the expulsion of Bp. Williamson; the liberalization within the SSPX seminaries, the liberalization within the SSPX schools, the intimidation and firings of SSPX faithful... etc., etc., etc.

TheRecusant · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2013, 04:44:25 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Maybe His Lordship should be invited?

He wouldn't come. You're as good as outside the Church if you disagree with him.

Besides, he's busy that day: he'll be giving his favourite conference on "Our Relations With Rome" to any of the faithful of Liverpool (on Saturday) and Burghclere (Sunday) who are unfortunate or unsuspecting enough to attend. Poor them. That was part of the reason for this: we wanted to give everyone a real alternative.

Wessex · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2013, 06:33:22 PM »

Too much has been invested in this new concept of Rome and where the organisation would fit in. In time the leadership is hoping the following will be more amenable to the idea. I cannot imagine the reception he will get in Liverpool but at Burghclere he will of course humour the parents of the children that will see a much changed place in due course.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2013, 06:35:56 PM »

The next generation that goes through the SSPX schools will be neotraditional.

They won't understand and they won't care about what Archbishop Lefebvre stood for.

It's only a matter of time. The SSPX is doomed.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2013, 06:46:11 PM »

The impression I get, is that they think the reason for the SSPX is that worship should be reverent and beautiful. That really does seem to be the main point they understand.

The rest they don't seem to understand.

After all, what do these SSPX priests say these days, without equivocating?

Even if you ask them whether it's evil to join the masons, they will make excuses for people who join.

I really don't think they ever criticize conciliarism without crossing their fingers and giving a disclaimer these days.

So they've become wishy-washy and betrayed the Archbishop.

As indicated in the preamble.

The lesson that is given to the young trads is:

don't rock the boat, get along, religion isn't supposed to be taken too seriously, let's just be happy we have a nice church community without the campy 60s aesthetics.

Incredulous · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2013, 10:50:01 PM »

Tele,

It seems you just described the ascent of the neoSSPX droid faithful.

Wessex · « **Reply #12 on:** May 15, 2013, 04:43:53 AM »

The kind of situation Tele describes existed when I was a boy. There was the Latin Mass Society in England thinking it was so brave daring to perform a few old Masses where it could. The handful of priests involved acted like naughty boys playing among themselves but were servile when approaching their bishops. It was all about the liturgy back then; doctrine had not become an issue. If you wanted something stronger, you joined Fr. Baker's rebellion or considered ABL's movement. For the faithful it was really about maintaining a familiar liturgical practice that was suddenly being denied them.

The ambition to get Rome to change back I feel was lost when the Society peeked. The official global count of one million souls ended up being between 200,000 and 600,000. This was so obvious in England where it was stagnating. It took an enormous effort to replace priests that were leaving and competition from Ecclesia Dei did not help. The finer points of doctrine do not visit the majority and they are not into social challenges. And so the alternative for the leadership was to hope for an Opus Dei-style solution; a comfortable niche inside the mainstream with a steady flow of endowments. How good this must sound to a family man embarking on a successful career! Well, if the Society cannot quite achieve this now, it is certainly going to simulate such a situation!

Raphaela · « **Reply #13 on:** May 15, 2013, 07:10:24 AM »

Yes, "It's the Mass that matters" has come home to roost. It is just a matter of getting to a Latin Mass on Sunday that is the only thing for most people. One lady (a long-standing supporter of the SSPX), when asked to sign the "Open Letter to Bishop Fellay from the Faithful of the GB District", gave as reasons for not doing so that it was a bit extreme and that "we might lose our Mass". She also goes to FSSP Masses and said, "It's refreshing that they aren't always going on about Vatican II." (She doesn't use the internet.)

Very many people have no interest at all in what ABL called "the Great Encyclicals" - they were written over a hundred years ago and don't apply anymore (!) - or any of the doctrinal/historical subjects that Bishop Williamson talks about. And I think that has always been so. But it's the Society and the priests who are changing - and most of the laity will follow wherever they go.

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:17:33 AM »

I must admit I found it strange that a LKC member in England stated that some people only turn up to conferences in the hope of talk of Jєωs. Given the Zionist control of the SSPX, I thought it a strange comment.

England to their shame waged war on Germany but to give credit where due, there have always been some English, who have been friends of Germany and never afraid to tackle International Jєωry.

Whilst fragmented for variety of reasons, there is still a bit of a movement in England. England has various groups. From 'Patria' to the British National Party (very zionist and run by a man, only interested in money)

Bishop Williamson speaking at British Friends of Palestine meeting is a good indication of thinking people.

You will get the usual idots and neo cons, who will disagree.