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Offline John Grace

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« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2013, 07:40:01 AM »
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  • I am looking forward to the conference.See ye there.

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    « Reply #61 on: May 27, 2013, 10:15:14 AM »
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  • I will give the British District credit when due and certainly more active than the Irish one.  The recent talk to the British Friends of Palestine is necessary and I am delighted to learn of it.

    The Irish laity concern themselves solely with pro-life activism or canvassing for Dana.

    My advice to the English is continue to build a movement. They must be doing good work as I see Fr Ray Blake has now joined the attack. Stick with Fr Blake if you want smells and bells, and lace and gin. Indult world.


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    « Reply #62 on: May 27, 2013, 10:28:01 AM »
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  • Fr Pfeiffer was under the impression most Irish were Fellayites. That is not the case but when, they are not vocal, how is he to know. With the greatest respect. They have only themselves to blame.

    I am getting very cynical towards the Irish. I don't think they will sell out but are being prudent. Keeping counsel. They won't as the song said "There were ten in the bed and the little one said, "Roll over, roll over." The Irish won't "roll over".

    A positive though is this conference and the letter to Fr Morgan.

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    « Reply #63 on: May 27, 2013, 10:39:03 AM »
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    But, even if Menzingen and his Maxad helpers have the buildings, it's only important to have the Faith.


    Agreed but I think faithful are anxious about losing their chapel or Mass centre.

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    « Reply #64 on: May 27, 2013, 10:44:54 AM »
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  • There are activities of course, a youth group but the priests in Ireland could be doing more. Also hopefully this 'Crisis in the SSPX' conference will inspire laity to organise a conference.

    Whilst independent of the SSPX a friend of mine is hoping to organise a conference as very concerned of the direction Youth Defence is taking. I stated independent of the SSPX as it wouldn't be organised by SSPX laity. It's a work in progress. It's good to see and I see it as complimenting other initiatives.


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    « Reply #65 on: May 27, 2013, 10:57:04 AM »
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  • I am pleased stgobnait has acknowledged there has been an awakening  in Ireland as previously, I found people indifferent. There wasn't the same level of outrage experienced in other Districts.

    With this conference, we are at a turning point though I agree with Michael Rooney that a line was drawn in the sand with the expulsion of Bishop Williamson.

    We all agree it was necessary to expel the Bishop to facilitate a deal but  events and indeed God had other plans for the SSPX.

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    « Reply #66 on: May 27, 2013, 11:07:01 AM »
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  • Indeed, i believe menzigen now know, they have a fight on their hands in Ireland... thanks to the resistance....

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    « Reply #67 on: May 27, 2013, 11:28:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    There are activities of course, a youth group but the priests in Ireland could be doing more. Also hopefully this 'Crisis in the SSPX' conference will inspire laity to organise a conference.

    Whilst independent of the SSPX a friend of mine is hoping to organise a conference as very concerned of the direction Youth Defence is taking. I stated independent of the SSPX as it wouldn't be organised by SSPX laity. It's a work in progress. It's good to see and I see it as complimenting other initiatives.



    This is an intriguing concept, for "the laity to organize a conference".........

    (I know, I misspelled "organise" but I'm American, okay?)  

    Today is Memorial Day in America, when we all gather 'round the
    graves of fallen war heroes and otherwise veterans of foreign wars
    (abbreviated VFW) - a term that has come into use after the friends
    and families of "cινιℓ ωαr" veterans long ago passed to their eternal
    reward.  

    In our living memory we have not had a real war on USA soil.

    Of course, that would have to ignore the 'drug war' and the
    'border war' and the 'Rodney King riots' and the 'Watts riot'
    and the war on the Faith of Catholics, and so on.

    BTW it was really the War Between the States but that's politically
    incorrect.  cινιℓ ωαr suits the re-writers of history much better.
    What, pray tell, is ever "civil" about war????????

    At the national cemeteries the graves of so-called cινιℓ ωαr men are
    largely ignored, but for the dutiful if not mechanical placing of flags
    by Boy Scouts troops.

    They could have called it the "peace war" but that would be too obvious.

    Today, when Americans gather around our war dead, we could take
    a moment to share information about +Fellay's apostasy from the
    founding principles of ABL, or, we could pass the word that we are
    planning to get together with other Catholics to discuss this
    curious phenomenon.  

    It's something to think about..............  :scratchchin:


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    « Reply #68 on: May 30, 2013, 08:34:24 AM »
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    I know this was posted somewhere on CI but I can't find it now, so here
    is a duplicate FWIW.

    Two days ago this appeared in the Recusant's Latest News area:




     The Recusant under attack by the devil
    Posted by The Editor on May 28, 2013 at 5:45 AM    Comments comments (1)

    It seems, dear reader, that if we had any fears that our conference would be met by apathy or indifference, then we have been proved gloriously and dramatically mistaken!

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    Lots of us have heard about and attended such Traditional Catholic conferences in the past, and never has anyone witnessed anything quite like this. That our enemies are reduced to the level of such transparent hatred and lies in a desperate attempt to hinder the growth of an authentic SSPX Resistance in this country is surely proof of how badly the devil wishes to prevent it.

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    As to the very silly claims made in a docuмent by "Searchlight magazine", lies subsequently repeated and spread abroad by people who really ought to have known better, well, once again we take it as a backhanded compliment that no true things could be found to attack us with.

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    The interested reader will find our official denial here. We note with interest that the person or persons responsible for these calumnies have not seen fit to make their accusations openly, but remain hidden. Be that as it may, the Crisis in the SSPX Conference will go ahead as planned. If it is not of God, then our enemies need not worry, it will fail. If it is of God, then you cannot stop it. We also intend to record the proceedings for the benefit of those unable to attend. Please keep the event and its organisers and participants very firmly in your prayers.






    The above-linked "official denial" is as follows:





    A Reply to Mr. Damian Thompson, et al.

    Monday, 27th May, 2013
    St. Bede the Venerable

    The organisers of the Crisis in the SSPX Conference have been made aware of an article by one Mr. Damian Thompson of the Daily Telegraph, entitled “Neo-nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst Deniers 'plan takeover' of SSPX, claim anti-Fascist campaigners."

    We note with astonishment that this article appears to have been written solely for the purpose of uncritically publicising some simply incredible claims, subsequently taken up by others, made against the priests of the SSPX Resistance, the Recusant, the Crisis in the SSPX Conference, and all those involved in it, all of which claims we wish here to deny, to wit:


       that the organisers of the Crisis in the SSPX conference are neo-nαzιs and/or BNP members and/or in any other
       way "disreputable" people;

       that the conference is a “far-right” political event and/or that the event is aimed at removing Bishop Fellay from
       his position as Superior General of the SSPX;

       that the conference somehow involves any form of infiltration and/or takeover of the SSPX in this country;

       that Bishop Williamson will be present at this conference and/or is the driving force behind this conference
       and/or is somehow involved this conference;

       that the conference involves secrecy, plotting, or plots of some sort; and moreover, that the locations, address,
       dates, timings or other details of our conference have ever been a secret.



    We are disappointed to note that Mr. Thompson has decided not to allow comments to be written under the article in question, meaning that we are denied any right to reply, by the same means and in the same place, to the outrageous and ridiculous claims which he has published. However, for public record, the organisers of the ‘Crisis in the SSPX’ conference wish to point out to Mr Thompson the following:

       1. Bishop Williamson will not even be in the country when our conference is scheduled to take place. We are unaware of his precise movements but are given to understand that he will be on the other side of the world doing confirmations. He will not be the subject of any of the talks, nor was he consulted in the preparation of the conference, nor did he have any part in the planning or organising of the conference. In short, Bishop Williamson has nothing to do with this event.

        2. Every one of the people involved in setting up this conference is a respectable, practising Catholic with a good name which has now been publicly and shamefully besmirched.

       3. To the best of our knowledge, no “Neo-nαzιs” “BNP members” or “disreputable” persons are in any way involved, much less a “bunch” of them. Nor are any such people welcome, unless they come as practising Catholics, and only as practicing Catholics.

         4. The sole purpose of the weekend’s proceedings will be to discuss the doctrinal position of the SSPX and the problems attendant therewith, and to strengthen the devotion, piety and holiness of the participants.

        5. The conference has been advertised in The Recusant newsletter for the past three months. It has been advertised on our website for the past four or five weeks. The press release published by Mr. Thompson says “We can reveal [that the conference] will be held in Earlsfield Library Hall...” when in reality, this address together with the times, the local busses, and all other useful information has been publicly available on our website for several weeks. There never was any secret, and hence nothing to “reveal”.

         6. In addition to talks on Doctrine, during the weekend we will have Mass, Confessions, Rosary and a Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Can Mr. Thompson please explain to us how he qualifies these things as “extreme right wing” or “neo-nαzι”? Once again, this has been publicly visible on our website for the last several weeks, and a quick internet search would have brought it up.

         7. It has been, and still is, our intention to film and make subsequently available the weekend’s proceedings so that those unable to attend can benefit from them. Does Mr. Damian Thompson consider that this is what “plotting” neo-nαzιs would do?


    Where these ridiculous claims have originated is not our concern, although some of us suspect that Mr. Thompson, who is himself no friend of the SSPX, has unwittingly allowed himself to be drawn into what appears to be an intra-mural SSPX dispute involving a dirty tricks campaign against Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr.  Kramer and the organisers of our event. Be that as it may, and although Mr. Damian Thompson may now wish to distance himself and his newspaper from the scandal involved, yet the fact remains that to uncritically make public the claims of another is tantamount to making those claims one's own. Furthermore, to commit the sin of calumny one need not be the originator of a lie: it is also a very serious sin to spread calumny begun by someone else, the more so if one makes public a lie which was hitherto private.

    In short, we wish to remind Mr. Damian Thompson of his grave obligation under pain of mortal sin to make public restitution for the serious public injustice which he has committed against the reputations of those involved in the ‘Crisis in the SSPX’ conference, and to restore the good name of the event itself and of the people involved. According to Catholic Moral Theology, until and unless such restitution is made, the penitent cannot validly receive absolution.

    We await his public apology and restitution.




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    « Reply #69 on: May 30, 2013, 08:50:11 AM »
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    Okay, it's a new thread all for this one part of the discussion.


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    « Reply #70 on: June 03, 2013, 02:33:03 AM »
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    Any news on the London Conference?


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    « Reply #71 on: June 03, 2013, 04:41:10 PM »
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    Any news on the London Conference?




    The other thread has had more discussion.

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    « Reply #72 on: June 03, 2013, 04:44:53 PM »
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  • Again many thanks to the organisers. It was nice to meet familiar faces and some new people though sad really people had to meet under these circuмstances of the crisis in the SSPX.

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    « Reply #73 on: June 03, 2013, 04:51:08 PM »
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  • People are very troubled and concerned about the SSPX. One person I spoke to converted to Catholicism via the SSPX and now may no longer be able to attend Society chapels. Just one example.

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    « Reply #74 on: June 10, 2013, 11:48:44 AM »
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    The other thread has had more discussion.


    Which other thread?  Title?  








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    Update on the Conference recordings is on the Latest News page:



    http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/

    Conference Recordings
    Posted by The Editor on June 6, 2013 at 6:15 PM    Comments comments (0)

    These are now in the process of being uploaded, and the first of them are available here:

    http://www.therecusant.com/conference-audio

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    Downloadable mp3 audio files can be found here:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/therecusantlondonconference2013.html

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/therecusantlondonconference2013.html
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    Also, some of the messages of support sent to the conference can be read here:

    http://www.therecusant.com/conference-support




    This link to the messages of support is not working today, and neither
    is the main page, http://www.therecusant.com .




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