Author Topic: "Crisis in the SSPX" Conference (Read 19707 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:39:41 AM »

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She also goes to FSSP Masses and said, "It's refreshing that they aren't always going on about Vatican II." (She doesn't use the internet.)

Of those that went to Mass at the home of the late Deirdre Manifold, I am the only one, who really stuck with the SSPX. One man dips in and out Institute Christ the King and SSPX. The others attend Institute Christ the King. Others stayed Novus Ordo.

There is no difference between either. I am at a loss as to why SSPX priests still say not to attend the Indult. A pack of hypocrites.

John Grace · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:44:10 AM »

I could of had Fr Loschi give conferences for the young people but the Institute Christ the King gained the youth as did Opus Dei. What more could I do? You can't force people to attend. Father lamented the lack of loyalty. I don't blame him.

John Grace · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:49:43 AM »

In the wider context of a crisis, I was speaking to a man, who was driving me home a few months ago. The topic was how unfortunate it is the SSPX tell people not to attend the Indult and vice versa. In Ireland the pro-life struggle has united both SSPX and Indult. What was interesting about the man, who raised the question was before we got into the car, he enquired at a Novus Ordo parish if confession was available.

I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

In Ireland people go to both. There are exceptions but nobody is really 100% 'Pius x' as they are known here.

It's amazing the Irish District of the SSPX is nearly the same size as when the Pius X arrived.

Once people get a Latin Mass there is no real difference made of it.

For many it nostalgia and for Judges and Barristers, it is elitist. At election time in Ireland, candidates are known to turn up at the 'Indult' with a smile and handshake.

I disagree but the SSPX is very much the 'lunatic fringe' in Ireland.

John Grace · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:57:57 AM »

I don't agree that the SSPX has been a "controlled opposition" from the outset. It started out well but is very compromised now. There is little difference between the SSPX and the FSSP. This was mentioned in a conference given in Toronto and was posted to Cath Info.

There is no doubt the SSPX started out good but has declined and softened.

Removing articles of Fr Denis Fahey is only one example and then all the revelations bout the Zionist hand in the SSPX.

What amazed me was the "so what" attitude. Max is a good man. The outrage was muted.

John Grace · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2013, 09:15:23 AM »

This is why this conference is vital. No doubt that whose, who attend can start to rebuild Tradition.It's a very necessary conference.

I will certainly pray for its success.

John Grace · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2013, 09:39:27 AM »

Despite the crisis we are in good shape and the strength of our position is strong.

Wessex · « **Reply #21 on:** May 15, 2013, 11:58:22 AM »

Yes, John, perhaps a new beginning in England. But of course two generations on; new people with different perspectives. Religiously and politically, though, some people are starting from scratch and want answers in both arenas. Bp. W's popularity is because he provides these in one lecture; something the SSPX is no longer prepared to do; their way now is to get along with society and compete among the 'high church' practitioners.

Raphaela · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2013, 12:40:23 PM »

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I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

Perhaps he wanted to go to confession to the Novus Ordo priest who says his Indult Mass.

Those who go to the Indult are mainly Novus Ordo people who like Latin liturgy and ritual. Apart from the FSSP, etc., it's said by N.O. priests, often using the same sermon they've preached that day at a N.O. Mass. And if an Indult Mass is cancelled on a Sunday the people go to the Novus Ordo instead.

Wessex · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2013, 01:34:58 PM »

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I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

Perhaps he wanted to go to confession to the Novus Ordo priest who says his Indult Mass.

Those who go to the Indult are mainly Novus Ordo people who like Latin liturgy and ritual. Apart from the FSSP, etc., it's said by N.O. priests, often using the same sermon they've preached that day at a N.O. Mass. And if an Indult Mass is cancelled on a Sunday the people go to the Novus Ordo instead.

I used to know a girl who went to three churches on a Sunday: Catholic, Anglican and Methodist. I am sure she suffered from a psychological condition which fed on an assortment of spiritual expression. This is like going to three supermarkets for that composite effect. Very eclectic and very catholic!

John Grace · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2013, 02:07:39 PM »

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I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

Perhaps he wanted to go to confession to the Novus Ordo priest who says his Indult Mass.

Those who go to the Indult are mainly Novus Ordo people who like Latin liturgy and ritual. Apart from the FSSP, etc., it's said by N.O. priests, often using the same sermon they've preached that day at a N.O. Mass. And if an Indult Mass is cancelled on a Sunday the people go to the Novus Ordo instead.

No. For him confession is confession. It doesn't matter what Mass a priest offers. Naturally, the Novus Ordo and the Vatican II mindset has caught on even in Ireland.

I just found it interesting he was complaining about SSPX laity saying not to attend the Indult yet he was willing to go to a novus ordo priest for confession.

On a separate point not to confuse Neil Ob, a good example is in Dublin. The Latin Mass Chaplain is also the parish priest. Those who attend the 'ordinary form' quite resent the Traditional Mass in their parish but the priest offers both.

The Latin Mass is better attended when a certain schola perform at it.

The original Indult in Dublin was set up to scupper the SSPX.

John Grace · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM »

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I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

Perhaps he wanted to go to confession to the Novus Ordo priest who says his Indult Mass.

Those who go to the Indult are mainly Novus Ordo people who like Latin liturgy and ritual. Apart from the FSSP, etc., it's said by N.O. priests, often using the same sermon they've preached that day at a N.O. Mass. And if an Indult Mass is cancelled on a Sunday the people go to the Novus Ordo instead.

I used to know a girl who went to three churches on a Sunday: Catholic, Anglican and Methodist. I am sure she suffered from a psychological condition which fed on an assortment of spiritual expression. This is like going to three supermarkets for that composite effect. Very eclectic and very catholic!

Women! I know of a girl who attends both SSPX and Indult yet insists on being branded a 'Pixie'.

My preference is for 'Pixie' women. As one discerning marriage, it would have to be a hardline pixie for me. Certainly a pro Bishop Williamson woman for certain

John Grace · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2013, 02:26:19 PM »

Wesex

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perhaps a new beginning in England. But of course two generations on; new people with different perspectives. Religiously and politically, though, some people are starting from scratch and want answers in both arenas

We are living in interesting times for certain. It's very biased I accept but those to work with are those organising or who might attend the 'Crisis in the SSPX' conference.

I believe it's necessary to rebuild. I am very pleased of where people are at today.

In the political sphere in Ireland, the party system is basically dead, 'their' system is dead and we must thank God for that. Most people switch off when they hear discussion of political parties.

Not sure about England but people in Ireland speak daily of wanting a movement. That is us.

Trad Catholics are the future and with the grace of the God, are the people, who will save the islands.

It's not about big numbers.

Tiffany · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2013, 02:46:27 PM »

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get along with society

This is basically the affluent ( or pretty comfortable) religious America, apart from the hispanic immigrants.

Incredulous · « **Reply #28 on:** May 15, 2013, 04:54:56 PM »

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I thought it strange willing to go to a Novus Ordo priest for confession yet complain about SSPX telling people not to attend the Indult.

Perhaps he wanted to go to confession to the Novus Ordo priest who says his Indult Mass.

Those who go to the Indult are mainly Novus Ordo people who like Latin liturgy and ritual. Apart from the FSSP, etc., it's said by N.O. priests, often using the same sermon they've preached that day at a N.O. Mass. And if an Indult Mass is cancelled on a Sunday the people go to the Novus Ordo instead.

I used to know a girl who went to three churches on a Sunday: Catholic, Anglican and Methodist. I am sure she suffered from a psychological condition which fed on an assortment of spiritual expression. This is like going to three supermarkets for that composite effect. Very eclectic and very catholic!

Women! I know of a girl who attends both SSPX and Indult yet insists on being branded a 'Pixie'.

My preference is for 'Pixie' women. As one discerning marriage, it would have to be a hardline pixie for me. Certainly a pro Bishop Williamson woman for certain

So, please tell me... what is a "Pixie woman " ?

Is more than just the hair-style ?

Wessex · « **Reply #29 on:** May 15, 2013, 08:33:56 PM »

ssPiXie ......