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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:51 AM »
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  • Just sour grapes from Mr. Moran (is that even his real name?).

    He had no problem with the highly-invalid Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko until they showed him the door.

    And I'm sure there's no problem with the highly-schismatic "Bishop" who may or may not have ordained/consecrated him.

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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #16 on: February 08, 2019, 11:44:52 AM »
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  • Just sour grapes from Mr. Moran (is that even his real name?).

    He had no problem with the highly-invalid Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko until they showed him the door.

    And I'm sure there's no problem with the highly-schismatic "Bishop" who may or may not have ordained/consecrated him.

    This happens over and over again.

    A man leaves for his own reasons (or gets fired), but the man tries to blame the organization he left, as if he saw problems with them all along, and THEY were the problem.

    Even though the man in question (stupidly) was not only a member of the organization, but an active proponent and apologist for the group for 1, 10, or 30 years. Says a lot about you, bub!

    I recently had a man break off a friendship with me because he didn't want to pay back a loan. I lent him money so his family could buy a minivan they needed. He repaid me by ripping apart 2 families that knew each other for 10+ years, and were good friends since 2012. There are several spiritual relationships (baptism, confirmation sponsors) between the two families, etc. Our families used to spend time together, worship together, play together, work together, you name it.

    But of course the man tries (vainly) to come up with a justification for why he shouldn't pay me back. I'm rich and he's poor, I was enslaving him, etc. Even though he had no problem at all with me just 14 months ago, before I lent him the money. And he never felt the need to break off the friendship until I asked when he was planning on paying me back. Then his first words were "friendship over" as if that was pre-loaded in his gun. He didn't even give me a chance to agree that he didn't need to pay me back ;) It shows how premeditated the whole thing was.


    What Ambrose and the man I described above have in common: They were both involved in relationships of convenience. They were only involved because there was a benefit for THEM. As soon as that benefit dries up, they're outta there.
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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #17 on: February 08, 2019, 12:55:27 PM »
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  • Moran is still "ORCM" in 2019? *If* he ever was? -- I haven't seen him mentioned in the archived publications of the ORCM, which essentially folded well over 30 years ago. The only legal remnant of the ORCM on paper was left in Monroe, CT, and even that may very well no longer exist. What a phony. 
    I am sincerely sorry for any gossip, detraction, libel, slander, calumny, rumors, heresy, schism, false information, lies or half-truths which may have appeared in my posts. May God forgive me.

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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 12:58:06 PM »
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  • Moran is still "ORCM" in 2019? *If* he ever was? -- I haven't seen him mentioned in the archived publications of the ORCM, which essentially folded well over 30 years ago. The only legal remnant of the ORCM on paper was left in Monroe, CT, and even that may very well no longer exist. What a phony.
    The list of evidence of Ambrose con-artistry is as long as the list of Clinton crimes. And that's quite long!
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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 01:22:12 PM »
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  • Even though he had no problem at all with me just 14 months ago, before I lent him the money. 
    "For loan doth oft lose both itself and friend" (Hamlet, I think).


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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #20 on: February 08, 2019, 03:47:59 PM »
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  • "For loan doth oft lose both itself and friend" (Hamlet, I think).

    Yes, I know.

    Also "neither borrower nor lender be." I don't know if that's in Scripture though.

    But the man was working 65 hour weeks making decent money at the time (little did I know it would fall apart only a couple weeks later) and I was employed at the time too, so we wouldn't be ruined if we didn't get the money back.

    I was trying to be charitable and help him and his family out. I never charged a dime of interest when I lent him money.

    I had known him for many years, we were both Trad Catholics, and he had paid back many loans 1/10 as big in the past. I never thought he'd stiff me on a large sum of money.

    As far as I know he's still attending Mass at the local SSPX chapel, pretending to be a Catholic in good standing.
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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #21 on: February 08, 2019, 05:28:06 PM »
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  • We all know people like this, friends because of be edit to them.  When the substance hits the fan, gone!

    We all know people for whom a "loan" is really a gift.  They swear they'll pay what they owe, maybe give a small amount back, then they're gone, too.

    I have family members in the latter category.  If I give money, I just hand it over as a gift.  If they won't accept that, I don't give anything.  Why put a person into the position of thief and liar?

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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #22 on: February 08, 2019, 05:56:56 PM »
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  • We all know people like this, friends because of be edit to them.  When the substance hits the fan, gone!

    We all know people for whom a "loan" is really a gift.  They swear they'll pay what they owe, maybe give a small amount back, then they're gone, too.

    I have family members in the latter category.  If I give money, I just hand it over as a gift.  If they won't accept that, I don't give anything.  Why put a person into the position of thief and liar?

    What was most annoying about this man is that he confused "wealth" with "income". We both own similar properties. But actually for years he had more income than me, and all of his was from Disability (nevermind that he was quite able-bodied, and worked for cash "under the table" all the time) whereas I had to do programming work for various gigs and clients.

    As far as wealth goes, the biggest differences between us were:
    A) He was horrible with money, and my wife and I were good with money management. He would pay "payday loan" fees, pawn things and then have to re-buy them again later, etc.
    B) He didn't discipline his kids, and so they broke/destroyed things all the time. So he never got ahead materially.

    It was funny hearing him say how evil money was, so he gets rid of it fast. Yeah, then at other times I've never seen such money grubbing and scheming.

    There's a good chance he also stole a $100 gift card from our chapel. It was "lost" during Mass and at the time I didn't suspect him. But I do know him/his family have issues with both lying AND stealing. So in hindsight, it was probably him. A $100 Visa gift card is a lot of fun. But stealing from a Traditional Chapel that you attend! Might as well steal from God! (By the way, we haven't received any large donations like that in a long time. The chapel "building fund" has probably taken in about $240 total over the past 12 months.)
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    Re: "Bishop" Moran: Archbishop Lefebvre and his priestly line "highly invalid".
    « Reply #23 on: February 08, 2019, 11:08:32 PM »
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  • Re: Moran's ORCM claims:

    I possess all of the ORCM newsletters until it collapsed in the early 1980s and this fellow never existed in any connection with them whatsoever. Rather Fr. Francis Fenton approached Archbishop Lefebvre through Fr. Clarence Kelly and was rebuffed because of his connection with the John Birch Society. Fr. Kelly received orders not to work with the ORCM thereafter. At no point did the ORCM have access to any Sacrament other than what a priest could provide. I'd have a better chance winning the Powerball Lottery than this fellow's story could check out to be true.
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    I am sincerely sorry for any gossip, detraction, libel, slander, calumny, rumors, heresy, schism, false information, lies or half-truths which may have appeared in my posts. May God forgive me.

     

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