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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2022, 02:31:40 PM »
Who sent him? Who gave him the authority to set up a chapel? The Church didn’t set up that chapel, he did by his own volition. You are only obliged to go to a mass that the Church Herself authorizes.
He was ordained in Winona in 1994 so his ordination is valid, and he was sent by the same authority that sends all trad priests - that's a whole other discussion I think. 


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2022, 02:39:43 PM »
Fr. Pfeiffer's episcopal consecration was long discussed here on this board when it took place.

The consesus was that it was doubtful, if I remember correctly.

It would be wise to revisit that thread if you are seriously considering going to Fr. Pfeiffer's to receive the sacraments.

About Bp. Williamson, I have never seem him disapproving the doubtful Novus Ordos priests who were admitted to the SSPX without a conditional ordination, so, unfortunately, his opinion on the validity of sacraments must be considered with great caution.
Personally, I doubt he is a bishop, but if he is a bishop he is in big trouble with Our Lord - that's my opinion. But we can and must get to Mass to fulfill our obligation to the Church or we sin. Too many trads do not take this obligation as serious as they should imo. My opinion remains, I will stick with the law of the Church and attend his Mass if that was all I had. I would not recommend listening to his council in confession unless it was soundly Catholic, but I would go to get absolution from him - that's what matters.

We do not need to receive his communion, that obligation is for us to receive communion once a year - or we commit a mortal sin, that's another of the Church's laws. We're supposed to do what we can to abide by her laws whenever we can, and in this case of QVD's scenario, we can.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2022, 02:52:27 PM »
He is a valid priest, why do you say his sacraments are doubtful?
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We have no choice in this. Whatever “bishop” Pfeiffer is or is not, he still is certainly a validly ordained priest who offers the Holy Sacrifice that we are obligated, under pain of mortal sin to attend.

Well, his Mass is certainly valid, but not so sure about those offered by "priests" that he might ordain, or other people with doubtful orders that he's been known to parade through Boston.

I have no issues with the validity of the +Thuc line, though there is a weak link in Bishop Webster's priestly lineage (there's a docuмent indicating that too was resolved), but the first attempt by +Webster to consecrated Fr. Pfeiffer was clearly invalid (not even just doubtful).  They claim it was redone conditionally later, but we have only their word for it, and the credibility of their assessment that the second attempt was valid is undermined by their claims that the first one was valid.

Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2022, 03:14:00 PM »
About Bp. Williamson, I have never seen him disapproving the doubtful Novus Ordos priests who were admitted to the SSPX without a conditional ordination, so, unfortunately, his opinion on the validity of sacraments must be considered with great caution.

I agree and my statement was done partly in jest.  What seems to be happening is a complete reversal of logic - one can attend the New Order Bastard Service, which is valid and produces miracles, but going to a trad priest whose Ordination is without question is to be avoided (due mainly to the bizarre 'Consecration' but also because he disagrees with +Williamson).

I'm getting the idea from a few people on CathInfo that there's more of an issue with other trads than with the New Order established by the enemies of the Church.  Funny stuff.  I'm open to having my mind changed.

Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2022, 03:26:03 PM »

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going to Mass is a man made rule of the Church 

The OP makes the mistake of calling the Church a human institution. It is a Divine institution.