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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2022, 01:48:35 PM »
So you are obligated to go to a Mass celebrated by a man who confers doubtful sacraments? He is a real priest, but a doubtful bishop.
He allegedly allows his lay supporters to practice occult rites.
What about his preaching? Is it free from error?
Using this logic, we would be obliged to attend an indult mass, if it is celebrated by a valid priest.
This doesn't sound right to me at all.

It doesn’t sound right to you because your Catholic sense is kicking in. 🙂

Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2022, 02:02:55 PM »
So you are obligated to go to a Mass celebrated by a man who confers doubtful sacraments? 

I think +Williamson said the sacraments are valid.


Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2022, 02:11:48 PM »
I think +Williamson said the sacraments are valid.

Fr. Pfeiffer's episcopal consecration was long discussed here on this board when it took place.

The consesus was that it was doubtful, if I remember correctly.

It would be wise to revisit that thread if you are seriously considering going to Fr. Pfeiffer's to receive the sacraments.

About Bp. Williamson, I have never seem him disapproving the doubtful Novus Ordos priests who were admitted to the SSPX without a conditional ordination, so, unfortunately, his opinion on the validity of sacraments must be considered with great caution.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2022, 02:16:11 PM »
Who sent him? Who gave him the authority to set up a chapel? The Church didn’t set up that chapel, he did by his own volition. You are only obliged to go to a mass that the Church Herself authorizes.

hmmm :confused: ... food for thought.  Since technically no Traditional chapel has canonical recognition and authorization, does this mean Trad Catholics are not technically / legally obliged to assist at those Masses on Sundays?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Starting a Mass Centre
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2022, 02:27:30 PM »
So you are obligated to go to a Mass celebrated by a man who confers doubtful sacraments? He is a real priest, but a doubtful bishop.
He allegedly allows his lay supporters to practice occult rites.
What about his preaching? Is it free from error?
Using this logic, we would be obliged to attend an indult mass, if it is celebrated by a valid priest.
This doesn't sound right to me at all.
He is a valid priest, why do you say his sacraments are doubtful? 
It is tragic  but too bad for him and his supporters.
Walk out when he starts his sermon. Very, very easy to do. I've done it enough times in the early days of this crisis to tell you it is very easy, almost too easy to do.
No, I always avoid all things NO, that includes the NO's indult.

It does not sound right because in this age of "the wild west" of traditionalists, necessity dictates that we be judge and jury on everything, but the law of the Church still obliges us under pain of mortal sin to get to Mass if there is one we can get to. We have no choice in this. Whatever “bishop” Pfeiffer is or is not, he still is certainly a validly ordained priest who offers the Holy Sacrifice that we are obligated, under pain of mortal sin to attend.