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Offline PG

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New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:52:10 PM »
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    • So I was looking at the pictures from the new sspx post about the benedictine sister house new mexico.  And, picture number 26 out of 37 seems strange to me.  It is a picture of many young women kneeling around a statue of probably st scholastica, and basically none of them are wearing veils.  And, I am wondering, due to the picture and intended formality of it all, are these ladies the potential future postulants or novices soon to be formed when it opens?  And, if so, why do they not have veils on?  I mean, women do not just wear veils in church for mass.  They wear veils when they are in church regardless.  One of the ladies has a veil.  But, for a picture, you would think they would wear veils.  

    http://sspx.org/en/media/photos/gallery-new-benedictine-sisters-house-nm-35744
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 04:23:14 PM »
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    • Look on the bright side, PG. It's probably a group of young prospective vocations doing a tour along the corridors of the monastery.  It's a charming and uplifting picture of young girls praying. What could be more beautiful?
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 12:47:18 PM »
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    • I was looking on that side, and that is why I am suspect.  I will be honest, I am not happy about this new sister house.  They should have built somewhere else.  The location and structure comes off to me as wrong.
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 01:15:05 PM »
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    And, if so, why do they not have veils on?  I mean, women do not just wear veils in church for mass.

    That picture was not taken in Church, but in the lunch hall.  It is the same statue as in earlier pics, when +Fellay is shown eating lunch with others and the statue is directly behind him.  Also, all pictures shown with an altar (i.e. in Church) have stained glass windows.  The lunch room where the statue is, has clear windows.

    PG, you need to be more careful before you criticize.
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 01:41:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on February 21, 2018, 12:47:18 PM
    I was looking on that side, and that is why I am suspect.  I will be honest, I am not happy about this new sister house.  They should have built somewhere else.  The location and structure comes off to me as wrong.

    I spent many years, off and on, working at Our Lady of Guadalupe monastery. The location of the new house is located close by, S.E., of the monastery. I don't know where would be a better location than this...

    The house is in the lower right hand corner of attached picture. 
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 21, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
    That picture was not taken in Church, but in the lunch hall.  It is the same statue as in earlier pics, when +Fellay is shown eating lunch with others and the statue is directly behind him.  Also, all pictures shown with an altar (i.e. in Church) have stained glass windows.  The lunch room where the statue is, has clear windows.

    PG, you need to be more careful before you criticize.
    My concern was in the form of a question, and was at best only implicit.  You are supposed to give me the benefit of the doubt.  With my veil in church saying I meant because churches are a place of prayer.  I did not necessarily imply this was occurring in a church.  And, this comes off as a formal prayer picture, it just seems to me fitting to have a veil on.  
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 02:31:00 PM »
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    You are supposed to give me the benefit of the doubt.
    I did.  I said 'be more careful'.  

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    I did not necessarily imply this was occurring in a church.
    Correct, you didn't imply it, you said it directly.

    "I mean, women do not just wear veils in church for mass.  They wear veils when they are in church regardless."
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 02:38:46 PM »
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    • Ignatius - I don't enjoy this.  But, I can't say that I like these women on the property at all.  I think it takes away from the attraction of the mens monastery.  The mens monastery is a beautiful spanish structure, while the womens is like a medeival mansion castle of different color atop a mountain.  Our lord is atop the mountain.  Our lady flies into the desert.  
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 02:41:05 PM »
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    • Looks like an incredibly peaceful place.
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 02:53:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on February 21, 2018, 02:38:46 PM
    Ignatius - I don't enjoy this.  But, I can't say that I like these women on the property at all.  I think it takes away from the attraction of the mens monastery.  The mens monastery is a beautiful spanish structure, while the womens is like a medeival mansion castle of different color atop a mountain.  Our lord is atop the mountain.  Our lady flies into the desert.  

    I'll assume that you haven't ever visited OLOG monastery... the new house is on a separate property, it's not uncommon for convents to be near a monastery of it's own order.

    Looking through the pictures again, there's only one were the young ladies are even present at the monastery, they are present behind the gates which is always open to all that may come to the monastery, either to hear Mass or otherwise.
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #10 on: February 21, 2018, 03:23:08 PM »
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    • And, when I say "women on the property at all" I mean having the sister monastery.  I didn't mean women shouldn't go to the mens monastery to sight see or to mass or the other occasions.  And, yes I know that related monasteries sometimes are near each other.  I think that was the case with st benedict and st scholastica.  I think it was the case with st francis to an extent and saint clare.  However, there is just something about this new situation that I am not thrilled about.  It is hard to put my finger on it, especially because it is still in the works, but I cannot say that i like it.  This monastery was like my dream a decade ago when I was in the NO and knew nothing about the sspx.  I really knew nothing of the sspx except this mens monastery.  And, I didn't care what any of it meant, this place was obviously a holy place.  And, I still think that is the case.

    And, if this womans monastery is on a separate piece of property, why go through the trouble at all?  I am tired of this "cram everyone together and create a utopia" phenomenon in tradition, when what we really need are small missionary units that can survive for amounts of time on its own, self sufficiently, and well spread out.  What the early sspx did was great, but I think it needs to go further in that direction, when the opposite has occurred to a large extent.  
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #11 on: February 21, 2018, 03:43:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on February 21, 2018, 03:23:08 PM
    And, if this womans monastery is on a separate piece of property, why go through the trouble at all?  I am tired of this "cram everyone together and create a utopia" phenomenon in tradition, when what we really need are small missionary units that can survive for amounts of time on its own, self sufficiently, and well spread out.  What the early sspx did was great, but I think it needs to go further in that direction, when the opposite has occurred to a large extent.  

    I'm having a hard time trying to follow what your overall beef is, but this monastery, from it's conception under the encouragement of archbishop Lefebvre, was to be a contemplative monastery. I know, it doesn't seem that way at times, some of the monks seem to be away frequently. The fathers used to say Mass at our small mission for some time, but nonetheless, the Church needs It's contemplatives...
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 03:52:45 PM »
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    And, if this womans monastery is on a separate piece of property, why go through the trouble at all?  I am tired of this "cram everyone together and create a utopia" phenomenon in tradition, when what we really need are small missionary units that can survive for amounts of time on its own, self sufficiently, and well spread out.  What the early sspx did was great, but I think it needs to go further in that direction, when the opposite has occurred to a large extent.  
    You can't have an isolated convent without a priest who lives nearby.  There are not enough priests today for one to be spared to ONLY help 1 convent; even many of the monks travel to say mass for the laity, which is not their normal duty.  Your concerns, while not wrong, are too idealistic for our present times.
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #13 on: February 21, 2018, 04:08:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Ignatius on February 21, 2018, 03:43:58 PM
    I'm having a hard time trying to follow what your overall beef is, but this monastery, from it's conception under the encouragement of archbishop Lefebvre, was to be a contemplative monastery. I know, it doesn't seem that way at times, some of the monks seem to be away frequently. The fathers used to say Mass at our small mission for some time, but nonetheless, the Church needs It's contemplatives...
    Life is more than the meat, and the body is more than the raiment.  If there is a beef, and in this case I think there is, then it is not limited or isolated to a few obvious things.  And, the church needs monasteries.  The church doesn't necessarily need contemplatives.  They are not always the same thing.   
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    Re: New benedictine sister house in new mexico pictures
    « Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 04:45:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on February 21, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
    Life is more than the meat, and the body is more than the raiment.  If there is a beef, and in this case I think there is, then it is not limited or isolated to a few obvious things.  And, the church needs monasteries.  The church doesn't necessarily need contemplatives.  They are not always the same thing.  
    The church may or may not need them but mankind certainly does need someone dedicated to praying for its salvation.
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