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Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 11:17:09 PM »
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  • I can only speak to the local SSPX. Yes, they seem to be against homeschooling. Building a school seemed like an obsession second to building a chapel. 


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2022, 01:39:18 AM »
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  • It's simple.

    Homeschooling is better for the child, in most cases. But sending your kid(s) to the SSPX school -- assuming there is one -- is better for the SSPX organization.

    Guess which "good" the SSPX priests focus on? You guess it -- the good of the SSPX.

    The SSPX would rather have 1 new Trad attending one of their chapels -- and putting donations in the collection every week -- than 10 new Trads attending a "competitor".
    Sad? Shocking? Unbelievable? But I must say, in my experience it's unfortunately true. Maybe a few priests are more selfless, remembering that it's about God and the good of souls. But for so many neo-SSPX priests, they don't care what's better for souls, even specific souls. They care FIRST and FOREMOST about the good of their chapel, their organization.

    The proof is the whole new orientation. No one can say a sellout is good for souls, the Church, the cause of Tradition, etc.! But it's better for the SSPX organization. And so...

    They have adopted a completely worldly, materialist mentality. They are obsessed with image/brand, (hence their hiring a corporate branding firm), numbers, their reputation among infidels and Conciliar Catholics, and other human concerns.

    McDonalds would rather have 1 new customer, than see Burger King get 10 new customers. That's fine for a restaurant. There is no "good for souls" in eating fast food. But Trad chapels should be happy that souls are being taken care of, WHEREVER they attend the Tridentine Mass. The priests should be glad to have help, even if that help is from another "rival" organization.

    Do you think St. Isaac Jogues and the other North American Martyrs (read their adventures sometime! Quite edifying.) would have been so territorial? Or would they be happy to have any help they could get? They labored constantly to convert souls to Christ, while simultaneously fighting against the devil and his minions in the world, who constantly work against the salvation of souls. See, the saints had a SPIRITUAL, SUPERNATURAL mindset. They understood that the world was a huge battle God vs. the devil, and they kept that big picture in mind always. They weren't concerned with credit, numbers, earthly glory, real estate, or any of that.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #3 on: August 24, 2022, 08:45:19 AM »
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  • I heard an sspx priest go so far as to call homeschooling "child abuse" from the pulpit.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #4 on: August 24, 2022, 08:56:00 AM »
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  • I heard an sspx priest go so far as to call homeschooling "child abuse" from the pulpit.
    I'm surprised to hear that. Seems like I am ignorant of the true liberalism of the SSPX.


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #5 on: August 24, 2022, 10:06:58 AM »
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  • I'm surprised to hear that. Seems like I am ignorant of the true liberalism of the SSPX.
    My experience was 10 years ago, at least.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #6 on: August 24, 2022, 10:48:25 AM »
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  • Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?

    As a general answer I would say yes, although it can vary widely depending on location and the mindsets of the individual priests.

    In my experience, SSPX anti-homeschooling sentiment is most likely to be found in the larger communities with well-established schools (think St. Mary's, Post Falls, etc. ). As Matthew said, in the SSPX mindset homeschooling represents competition to the school, and in these places the "competition" is very direct. Therefore, unfair bias against those who choose to homeschool can be very pronounced in these locations.

    Most folks in these communities who homeschool appear to do so for the right intentions (they disagree with liberal elements or they are trying to escape other obviously serious problems with the schools). Strangely enough though, there is also often a minority who homeschool in these communities for the "wrong" reasons (don't want to dress modestly, indult-minded, took issue with the outspoken priest who criticized Pope Francis, etc.). Obviously, these examples of poor formation often have poor outcomes because they are inherently liberal-minded. Unfortunately, the leaders/teachers of the schools cherry-pick these examples of poor formation, and then smear homeschooling as a whole. They then make joining their school a sort of spiritual crusade, while at the same time not properly addressing the spiritual and physical problems in their own systems.   

    On the other hand, in SSPX mission chapels it can vary widely depending on the individual priest. Many seem to "tolerate" homeschooling if there is no other practical option. However, I have also seen some who encourage families in this regard by having "homeschool days" to share materials. Most of the ones who seem favorable to homeschooling are the older "hard-liner" conservative SSPX priests rather than the youngest ones. Not sure what their "theoretical" thinking is about school vs homeschool in an ideal world, but they don't seem antagonistic to homeschoolers in the practical context. 


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #7 on: August 24, 2022, 11:10:39 AM »
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  • As a general answer I would say yes, although it can vary widely depending on location and the mindsets of the individual priests.

    In my experience, SSPX anti-homeschooling sentiment is most likely to be found in the larger communities with well-established schools (think St. Mary's, Post Falls, etc. ). As Matthew said, in the SSPX mindset homeschooling represents competition to the school, and in these places the "competition" is very direct. Therefore, unfair bias against those who choose to homeschool can be very pronounced in these locations.

    Most folks in these communities who homeschool appear to do so for the right intentions (they disagree with liberal elements or they are trying to escape other obviously serious problems with the schools). Strangely enough though, there is also often a minority who homeschool in these communities for the "wrong" reasons (don't want to dress modestly, indult-minded, took issue with the outspoken priest who criticized Pope Francis, etc.). Obviously, these examples of poor formation often have poor outcomes because they are inherently liberal-minded. Unfortunately, the leaders/teachers of the schools cherry-pick these examples of poor formation, and then smear homeschooling as a whole. They then make joining their school a sort of spiritual crusade, while at the same time not properly addressing the spiritual and physical problems in their own systems.   

    On the other hand, in SSPX mission chapels it can vary widely depending on the individual priest. Many seem to "tolerate" homeschooling if there is no other practical option. However, I have also seen some who encourage families in this regard by having "homeschool days" to share materials. Most of the ones who seem favorable to homeschooling are the older "hard-liner" conservative SSPX priests rather than the youngest ones. Not sure what their "theoretical" thinking is about school vs homeschool in an ideal world, but they don't seem antagonistic to homeschoolers in the practical context.
    I can confirm that the mission chapels will be more favorable towards homeschooling. I attend a mission chapel and we have recently established a homeschooling program with the full support of our SSPX priest; He himself is an older hardline SSPX priest who was trained by Bishop Williamson in the 80s.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #8 on: August 24, 2022, 11:35:57 AM »
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  • I can confirm that the mission chapels will be more favorable towards homeschooling. I attend a mission chapel and we have recently established a homeschooling program with the full support of our SSPX priest; He himself is an older hardline SSPX priest who was trained by Bishop Williamson in the 80s.

    I would certainly hope this is the case at SSPX chapels/missions without a school.
    I mean, what would these SSPX priests want families to do to educate their children, seriously? Send their kids to public school in 2022? Come on!

    And it's not just far-flung places in the boondocks without a school. Try SAN ANTONIO, TX, one of the top 10 cities in the United States, by population. So I'm sure there are other large cities, with weekly Mass (plus Holy Days and many weekdays) that nevertheless do not have a school. San Antonio can't be the only one.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #9 on: August 24, 2022, 11:36:23 AM »
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  • The SSPX is generally against homeschooling in places where there is a well-established Society school readily available.  Barring that situation, homeschooling or boarding school is usually recommended.  Many large families cannot afford boarding school and I believe the vast majority of children do not have an SSPX school nearby.  Most SSPX schools accept general education pupils only, meaning, if there is a child with special needs, he will have to look elsewhere.  
    I’m not sure if there is a specific recommendation, but in general, I’ve seen much support for homeschooling.  

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #10 on: August 24, 2022, 11:41:04 AM »
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  • To be fair, "back in the day", if you had a parish school, you had no need to homeschool, you could rest assured that your children were being taught the fullness of the Faith, and the teachers were at least reasonably competent to teach non-religious subjects as well.  Therefore if the SSPX is seeking to restore what we had "back in the day", they have a somewhat good case.   And so far as I am aware, the 1917 CIC didn't anticipate homeschooling.  Homeschooling would only have existed in "the back of beyond" where there was no school at all, Catholic or otherwise.

    Very few of us have "back in the day" circuмstances anymore.


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #11 on: August 24, 2022, 12:38:46 PM »
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  • It's simple.

    Homeschooling is better for the child, in most cases. But sending your kid(s) to the SSPX school -- assuming there is one -- is better for the SSPX organization.

    Guess which "good" the SSPX priests focus on? You guess it -- the good of the SSPX.

    The SSPX would rather have 1 new Trad attending one of their chapels -- and putting donations in the collection every week -- than 10 new Trads attending a "competitor".
    Sad? Shocking? Unbelievable? But I must say, in my experience it's unfortunately true. Maybe a few priests are more selfless, remembering that it's about God and the good of souls. But for so many neo-SSPX priests, they don't care what's better for souls, even specific souls. They care FIRST and FOREMOST about the good of their chapel, their organization.

    The proof is the whole new orientation. No one can say a sellout is good for souls, the Church, the cause of Tradition, etc.! But it's better for the SSPX organization. And so...

    They have adopted a completely worldly, materialist mentality. They are obsessed with image/brand, (hence their hiring a corporate branding firm), numbers, their reputation among infidels and Conciliar Catholics, and other human concerns.

    McDonalds would rather have 1 new customer, than see Burger King get 10 new customers. That's fine for a restaurant. There is no "good for souls" in eating fast food. But Trad chapels should be happy that souls are being taken care of, WHEREVER they attend the Tridentine Mass. The priests should be glad to have help, even if that help is from another "rival" organization.

    Do you think St. Isaac Jogues and the other North American Martyrs (read their adventures sometime! Quite edifying.) would have been so territorial? Or would they be happy to have any help they could get? They labored constantly to convert souls to Christ, while simultaneously fighting against the devil and his minions in the world, who constantly work against the salvation of souls. See, the saints had a SPIRITUAL, SUPERNATURAL mindset. They understood that the world was a huge battle God vs. the devil, and they kept that big picture in mind always. They weren't concerned with credit, numbers, earthly glory, real estate, or any of that.

    So true. When the SSPX was getting ready to fundraise for a new chapel, priory, and school where I live, they hired an organization specializing in funding campaigns. They had all sorts of commercials up on YouTube, Give butter, etc. They started selling raffle-type tickets for a fundraising dinner at $100.00 apiece and even created multiple websites to aid in capturing funds. This occurred in the middle of the plandemic when many faithful were out of work.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #12 on: August 24, 2022, 02:14:00 PM »
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  • Our Lady of Sorrows, in Phoenix, I understand, was know to have said from the pulpit, their school was correct and not to have children go there, mortal sin??

    AZ is very open to home schooling and it is Not a mortal sin to home school.  There are vouchers, BUT, if a private school accepts vouchers, is the school public for taking the money/vouchers?  You don't want the state to step in!

    AZ is well established for home schooling, very friendly.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #13 on: August 24, 2022, 11:08:40 PM »
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  • It's simple.

    Homeschooling is better for the child, in most cases.
    Since this is the premise for the rest of your post, are you saying homeschooling is always better than Catholic school or just that the SSPX is basically equivalent to any other modern Catholic school?

    If a Resistance priest were pushing a new school, would he be considered "anti-homeschool"?

    I'd think that if a family is attending an SSPX chapel that has a school, there wouldn't be a huge list of advantages to homeschooling. It would be much more of a toss up since they'd obviously not be against the SSPX in general. :confused:
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #14 on: August 24, 2022, 11:54:06 PM »
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  • Since this is the premise for the rest of your post, are you saying homeschooling is always better than Catholic school or just that the SSPX is basically equivalent to any other modern Catholic school?

    If a Resistance priest were pushing a new school, would he be considered "anti-homeschool"?

    I'd think that if a family is attending an SSPX chapel that has a school, there wouldn't be a huge list of advantages to homeschooling. It would be much more of a toss up since they'd obviously not be against the SSPX in general. :confused:

    I agree. It depends on the location, whether there is an existing SSPX school available or not. From my experience, all SSPX priests suggests an SSPX school or homeschooling. Some parents even send their kids to SSPX boarding schools in other countries, if they can afford it.