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Offline Geremia

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Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2022, 11:34:39 PM »
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  • I would argue that Our Lord was actually teaching the doctors. […] I wonder is this has ever been discussed by some authoritative theologian.
    Jesus, Who knows everything already, had no need to ask questions except to teach us.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #31 on: September 03, 2022, 07:54:16 PM »
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  • Jesus, Who knows everything already, had no need to ask questions except to teach us.

    I agree.

    My interpretation is that He asked the doctors questions to test them and to confuse them.

    And then, He took the discussion further and solved the doubts that He had raised by his questioning. He was the master, even though He was just twelve years old.

    This method happens with some frequency in the Gospels. A good example is when Our Lord asked a certain disciple (Philip, I think), just before the miracle of mutiplying bread, how they would feed all those people. If I remember correctly, the text says explicitly that He did this to test Philip, and not because He didn't know what to do, which would be absurd.

    St. John the Baptist also instructs his own disciples to ask if Jesus is really the messiah. It is obvious that he had no doubt about this, but he acted like this to make his disciples believe that Our Lord was really the messiah.


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #32 on: September 03, 2022, 11:26:34 PM »
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  • St. John the Baptist also instructs his own disciples to ask if Jesus is really the messiah. It is obvious that he had no doubt about this, but he acted like this to make his disciples believe that Our Lord was really the messiah.
    Yes, that's the classic example of His teaching by questioning.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #33 on: September 04, 2022, 04:19:03 PM »
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  • To answer the question, as a general rule, yes. Individual priests privately differ, and some chapels will adopt more-or-less generous policies towards the matter, but the short answer remains yes, and this is reinforced by those priests who have consistently been in the most prominent positions of education for the SSPX.

    I refer to one of my previous posts that rebuts a number of the problems in most SSPX thinking regarding this issue: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-letter-on-the-vaxing-of-nz-teachers/msg799255/#msg799255

    There is an deep lack of understanding of Catholic philosophy of education even to the very top of the current SSPX hierarchy. I know a certain SSPX superintendent who has revealed an appalling attitude towards homeschooling and such parents behind closed doors.

    This is of course not to say there are problems with some homeschooling circuмstances. But the other side of that same argument is, are there no problems to schools? Every solution is a compromise to some degree. Families are imperfect societies; hence the Church teaches that schools supplement family education, but must not replace it. But schools, too, are imperfect in many ways. If a child learns the ways of the world from his school peers, or even worse from his teacher, is corrupted in vice, or Heaven forbid, is involved in an abusive situation, what good was the school? If worse, those in charge of the school have repeatedly neglected their grave responsibilities to ensure a safe, holy environment and enforce the highest standards of virtue and behavior among the children, isn't "traditional Catholic academy" under the "SSPX" all a tragic marketing joke?

    Once the corruption begins, at such an impressionable age, it is extremely hard to undo. The Jesuits had the old saying, "Give me a child until he is 7, and I will show you the man he will be come." This isn't to be understood in a mechanistic, input-output manner, but that as anyone who has experience teaching young children and seeing their progress in the later years knows full well, the seeds and foundation are all clearly visible at a very young age. It takes much moral effort, much grace, and much sorrow to correct a faulty foundation in the later years.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #34 on: October 05, 2022, 07:24:11 PM »
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  • I think the major point here is that parents, as primary educators, know what is best for their children, and it almost sometimes seems as though some clergy are opposing that notion (possibly even for self-serving ends, like growing their apostolate's numbers, as though that equated to saving souls, or a better chance of doing so).
    Especially for the early learning years this is true. Giving the child a safe and nurturing environment where they can be trained to love God and to think is so valuable. In the state of the world in this time I simply do not trust schools, including so called traditional schools with young children.  
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #35 on: October 07, 2022, 01:34:31 AM »
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  •  I simply do not trust schools, including so called traditional schools
    Agreed.
    An sspx told me we should move to an area with an sspx school rather than homeschool.  I told him I would never, ever, send my child to an SSPX school again, nor would I recommend anyone else do so.

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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #36 on: October 07, 2022, 07:24:12 AM »
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  • So here's a story.  First, for the record, I go to a CMRI chapel.  I personally know a woman, a recent convert from Lutheranism (MS).  She was going to the FSSP for Confirmation.  As there were no Sede chapels near her, I convinced her to switch to the SSPX chapel near her, where she would at least get valid Sacraments, including Confirmation.  She wants to be a teacher.  She applied to a Novus Ordo "Conservative" University to work and to go to school and the SSPX priest, still knowing she is new to the Faith, not even Confirmed yet, encouraged her to go, despite the dangers it poses, because he said her teaching degree will be useful for teaching at an SSPX school :facepalm:.

    Short story, she said the wrong things (or right things by my account) and didn't get the job, but continued the classes, one of which is jam-packed with Wokeism and taught by a Jєω.  She only started going to the SSPX chapel in late Spring/Early Summer.  Through meeting a friend of a friend of mine, she got a job teaching at a different SSPX, a school affiliated with them.  They hired her, again, new to the Faith, only months an SSPX-goer, not even Confirmed, with only a few-months-long pedigree from the previous SSPX chapel she was hailing from.  Now, she is a wonderful person, is fairly red-pilled about the world, the small-hats, etc....but still very naive about the Crisis in the Church, and new to the Faith.  She is teaching 2nd and 3rd graders while continuing her Confirmation catechesis.  It is a much, much, much better situation for her than what she was in, so I am grateful for that.  However, it doesn't speak well of the SSPX, and makes them look desperate and willing to make hasty decisions regarding the quality of teachers they will recruit.
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #37 on: October 07, 2022, 12:06:15 PM »
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  • So here's a story.  First, for the record, I go to a CMRI chapel.  I personally know a woman, a recent convert from Lutheranism (MS).  She was going to the FSSP for Confirmation.  As there were no Sede chapels near her, I convinced her to switch to the SSPX chapel near her, where she would at least get valid Sacraments, including Confirmation.  She wants to be a teacher.  She applied to a Novus Ordo "Conservative" University to work and to go to school and the SSPX priest, still knowing she is new to the Faith, not even Confirmed yet, encouraged her to go, despite the dangers it poses, because he said her teaching degree will be useful for teaching at an SSPX school :facepalm:.

    Short story, she said the wrong things (or right things by my account) and didn't get the job, but continued the classes, one of which is jam-packed with Wokeism and taught by a Jєω.  She only started going to the SSPX chapel in late Spring/Early Summer.  Through meeting a friend of a friend of mine, she got a job teaching at a different SSPX, a school affiliated with them.  They hired her, again, new to the Faith, only months an SSPX-goer, not even Confirmed, with only a few-months-long pedigree from the previous SSPX chapel she was hailing from.  Now, she is a wonderful person, is fairly red-pilled about the world, the small-hats, etc....but still very naive about the Crisis in the Church, and new to the Faith.  She is teaching 2nd and 3rd graders while continuing her Confirmation catechesis.  It is a much, much, much better situation for her than what she was in, so I am grateful for that.  However, it doesn't speak well of the SSPX, and makes them look desperate and willing to make hasty decisions regarding the quality of teachers they will recruit.
    Agreed.
    One sspx school hired a relative of mine to teach high schoolers.  She had just graduated homeschool high school herself.  :facepalm:


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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #38 on: October 07, 2022, 03:36:48 PM »
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  • So here's a story.  First, for the record, I go to a CMRI chapel.  I personally know a woman, a recent convert from Lutheranism (MS).  She was going to the FSSP for Confirmation.  As there were no Sede chapels near her, I convinced her to switch to the SSPX chapel near her, where she would at least get valid Sacraments, including Confirmation.  She wants to be a teacher.  She applied to a Novus Ordo "Conservative" University to work and to go to school and the SSPX priest, still knowing she is new to the Faith, not even Confirmed yet, encouraged her to go, despite the dangers it poses, because he said her teaching degree will be useful for teaching at an SSPX school :facepalm:.

    Short story, she said the wrong things (or right things by my account) and didn't get the job, but continued the classes, one of which is jam-packed with Wokeism and taught by a Jєω.  She only started going to the SSPX chapel in late Spring/Early Summer.  Through meeting a friend of a friend of mine, she got a job teaching at a different SSPX, a school affiliated with them.  They hired her, again, new to the Faith, only months an SSPX-goer, not even Confirmed, with only a few-months-long pedigree from the previous SSPX chapel she was hailing from.  Now, she is a wonderful person, is fairly red-pilled about the world, the small-hats, etc....but still very naive about the Crisis in the Church, and new to the Faith.  She is teaching 2nd and 3rd graders while continuing her Confirmation catechesis.  It is a much, much, much better situation for her than what she was in, so I am grateful for that.  However, it doesn't speak well of the SSPX, and makes them look desperate and willing to make hasty decisions regarding the quality of teachers they will recruit.

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    Agreed.


    One sspx school hired a relative of mine to teach high schoolers.  She had just graduated homeschool high school herself.  :facepalm:


    I've noticed a similar pattern as well. In general, teaching jobs in the SSPX do not pay very well, and therefore are not a survivable option for many folks (especially young men trying to get established before marriage etc.). As a result, the job candidates for these positions are few and far between, and there is a high turnover of these teachers in these jobs. When a candidate does show up, there can be a somewhat desperate scramble to hire regardless of specific academic (and even more importantly, spiritual) qualification. Granted, from the perspective of the school, it needs teachers to function and these are difficult to find. However, the potential ramifications for students would need to thought through very carefully, and if  in any way the choice would compromise their Faith, it shouldn't be done.

    For a historical parallel, it reminds me a little of what happened to the German air force near the end of WWII. Once all the best pilots or "aces" were shot down/unavailable, the only remaining options were the youngest trainees. These were immediately pressed into service as pilots on complex missions regardless of their length of training or qualifications. Predictably, the result was a marked decrease in overall performance and efficacy... 

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    She applied to a Novus Ordo "Conservative" University to work and to go to school and the SSPX priest, still knowing she is new to the Faith, not even Confirmed yet, encouraged her to go, despite the dangers it poses, because he said her teaching degree will be useful for teaching at an SSPX school :facepalm:.

    The SSPX can have a somewhat strange love/hate relationship with academic degrees from modern universities. On one hand, some priests can be vocal about specific errors of "modern academia" or some types of "modern scholarship" etc., which in most cases is justifiable. Sometimes this even grows into a general cynicism about the value of all academic degrees from a given modern university (which may or may not be a correct opinion; it all depends on what the specific degree is in, or where it was done, etc.).

    On the other hand though, they often react favorably to the general mention of "education/teaching degree," in a candidate even though modern education degrees can be susceptible to liberal/modernist thought.  With so few Master's or doctoral degree holders in their teaching ranks, there can also be a tendency to view their few higher-level degree holders into "infallible" celebrities who are the complete end-all in their given subject. This can cause issues, as it often results in the academic opinions of one individual being framed as "dogmas". 

    A well-trained traditional Catholic might be able to sift the good and discard the bad from a degree program (and perhaps could even provide valuable insights based upon this). However, it would definitely be more difficult for a recent convert/Novus Ordo Catholic to do this.   






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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #39 on: October 07, 2022, 06:06:00 PM »
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  • Just thinking aloud here...not every Catholic couple is able to effectively manage the process of homeschooling their children. If we can put our heads together and develop working programs to help families collaborate and share resources to get some form of Catholic support group and / or homeschool coop programs going in areas where there enough of us, that seems to be worth the effort. With the internet Catholic families can work out ways to decentralize much of the "specialized" instruction (like theology and Latin language). I am pretty sure the prots have done this in some areas. 
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    Re: Is the neo-SSPX against homeschooling?
    « Reply #40 on: October 07, 2022, 06:11:10 PM »
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  • not every Catholic couple is able to effectively manage the process of homeschooling their children. 

    They can if they try.
    God would not have given parents children with no ability to teach them.