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Offline Neil Obstat

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How high should an altar be? Some suggestions...
« on: January 18, 2013, 03:18:35 AM »
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    Novus Ordo altars are generally lower than traditional altars.  There is a
    reason for that.  When they first started turning altars around in the
    1960's (of course, Luther was 450 years ahead of this), they found that
    the "thing" was obtrusively high.  And it made shorter priests feel even
    shorter when they had to look out over the top of a high altar at the
    madding crowd.  

    So they got out the saws and cut them down shorter.  

    I know one priest who is only about 4'-10" and he has a bit of a problem
    reaching into the tabernacle, but he makes it, somehow.  He has no
    difficulty with the height of high altars that are 50" off the floor, as far as
    the vessels and the prayer cards and missal and such.  

    The problem comes into play for tall priests or priests with back trouble.
    The higher altars are easier on them, especially their backs.  

    So if you are setting up an altar for a visiting priest, keep in mind that you
    ought to keep it a lot higher than usual.  It's actually at bar height and
    above, which is 43" and up.  That means at least 10" higher than standard
    table top height, which means 27" for folding tables, dining room tables
    and conference tables.  Hotels use the same tables for conferences as
    they do for dining.

    A standard desk height is 31" and a standard typing keyboard (old days
    the typewriter set on it) is 25" - the pullout shelves in desks are that high
    usually.

    So obviously, you are not going to have a ready-made piece of furniture
    setting around that is the proper height for a real altar.  

    What can you do in a hurry to put something together?  

    It shouldn't be the priest's job to find all the parts to construct an altar,
    but unfortunately, sometimes that happens.  You can elevate a portable
    folding table all right, but be careful to make it stable.  You do not want the
    altar falling over during Mass.  The best way to make an elevating device
    stable is to make it one piece, that is, no moving parts.

    For example, to elevate a table with 4 legs, up 12", you could make use of
    a full or part sheet of 1/4" plywood and a leftover fence post 4x4, some
    glue and some nails.

    You can use the 1/4" plwd for the sides, and short blocks of the 4x4 for
    inside the 4 corners.  That's what can hold up the table legs, with 3-1/2"
    square ends of the 4x4s.  The posts can act as glue blocks as well as
    stiffeners.  Keep the plywood taller on top than the 4x4s by about an
    inch or two (more if you're going to add a lid set into the top), and the
    table legs won't slip off the platform.  Put the whole thing on carpet or a
    rubber mat, and the altar will be fairly stable.  You can make it a lot more
    stable by adding a top and a bottom to the platform.  But a single sheet of
    3/4" plywood on the top (let the 1/4" plwd go on past the top by an inch or
    so) will make your platform almost as stable as the floor.

    The idea is to have 4 sides of lightweight plywood making a box around
    the legs of your table.  Glue and nail the 4x4 blocks inside the 4 corners
    of the box, such that the top end of each block is at the same height off
    the floor, in this case we said 12" but if you're adding a lid of 3/4" ply, that
    would then be 12-3/4" height.  The nice thing about 3/4" ply is it's so easy
    to nail into, and some glue between its edge and the 1/4" ply face will
    make a strong joint.  


    If you want more detail:

    Measure the distance from the outside of the table feet (be sure to
    pull/wiggle them out a little so you know they're at rest and at full width),
    and write that down.  Call it "Leg distance - length (or breadth)."  Then
    measure the distance from front to back "out to out" and write that down,
    calling it "Leg distance - depth".

    Cut a 4 x 8 sheet of 1/4 plywood (Or a portion of a full sheet) into 2 or 3
    strips just shy of 16" wide each (probably about 15-3/4") and 8' long.  The
    length needs to be enough to reach past the far side of each leg in front.
    Next, take the Leg distance length and ADD ONE INCH to it.  Do not forget
    to add an inch.  That gives you your plywood length.  Cut two of the 16"
    plywood strips to that length.  For example, if your table legs are 59" from
    the outside, then your plywood should be 60" long.

    Next, take the Leg distance depth and add a half inch.  Do not forget to
    add the half inch.  Cut two more pieces of plwd that length.

    The last thing to cut is the 4x4.  If you want 12" elevation, and you are
    going to use plwd for a lid, cut the 4x4s 11-3/4" long.  Then take the
    short ends of plwd and glue and nail the 4x4s to the ends of the plwd,
    making the sides of the 4x4s flush with the short ends of the plwd., and
    flush on the bottom too.  The top is where the extra ply hangs over the
    end of the 4x4.  You'll have two of those when you're done with this step.

    Finally, glue and nail the front first, and then the back ply to these two
    end pieces.  The only trick will be the last side you nail on.  If you have a
    leftover piece of 4x4, or a 2x4 lying around that's long enough to reach
    between the front and rear posts, you can stick that between them to
    act as a brace while nailing on the back side.

    If you're putting a lid on it, that goes on last.  Cut the lid to fit the inside
    of the box and nail it in.  If the lid is 1/4 ply, you may want to nail on some
    glue blocks or strips to the lid first, because once it's attached, it's a lot
    harder to nail plywood with no backing.  Of course, if you have a nail gun
    like a brad nailer, you won't have any problem with that.  

    When you're done, the platform will be just right to set the table on it,
    and provide a stable base for the altar.  And when it's not being used
    for Mass, the platform can be a storage box for toys or firewood or
    whatever.  If you want it more durable, thicker plywood may be necessary.
    But you can stiffen the bottom edge of 1/4 ply with 1x2s glued and nailed
    on.



    If all that is too much trouble for you, it's possible to put some cardboard
    boxes on top of your folding table, and put a piece of plywood on top of
    that.  You could use a cutoff door or some other flat material, such as
    drywall (2 pieces of 5/8" drywall or sheetrock would be okay) or plastic
    (e.g. plexiglass or ABS or fiberglass).   If you have a second folding table
    that's the same size, that would work:  just keep the legs folded up
    and set it on top of the boxes.  The boxes should be the same height,
    in this case 11 or 12 inches.  Then you may like to use some duct tape
    to secure the boxes to the lower table and also to the top table top.

    The reason you want it stable is, when the priest is doing the
    consecration or when he's genuflecting, he touches the altar and uses
    it for stability.  If he has some kind of pain, or if he feels dizzy, he may
    lean on the altar.  But at the words of consecration, he pushes his
    forearms down onto the front edge of the altar and at that moment, he
    likely prefers to be thinking about the prayers and not about whether
    the altar is going to start moving under his arms.  The altar is something
    the priest should have confidence in.  There are already too many
    unknowns without having to worry about this too.

    Every traditional priest carries an altar stone to say mass on, and it is
    much preferred if this can be set into a pocket on the top of the altar,
    and that is 7" square and 11/16" deep.  The stone itself is 5/8" thick, and
    you don't want it sticking out on top.  If it's a little under flush, that's okay,
    because you can easily put a few sheets of paper or a napkin under it
    to raise it up.  The altar stone is where the priest sets the host first, and
    then the chalice, during the consecration.  It is the first thing that any
    priest should have to say Mass.  He is obligated to use one if at all
    possible.  Curiously, most Novus Ordo altars do not provide any place for
    one, nor do Novus Ordo priests use one.  If you go to old cemeteries,
    you will find outdoor altars, ALL of which have niches or pockets cut into
    the surface of the altar top, right in front, where the priest places the
    chalice during the consecration.  I went to the grotto at Ariesville NY and
    there, amidst the pine trees and bramble bushes, were several altars
    with pockets for altar stones in the top.  They were all full of fallen leaves
    and compost, for not having been cleaned out for perhaps years, but
    they were there, nonetheless, waiting for the next proper priest who
    has come prepared with an altar stone.

    The top surface of your home altar should have such a cut-out in it, so
    that the priest can place his altar stone there.  You can have a sheet of
    3/4 ply or at least 11/16 (a lot of so-called 3/4 ply is actually 11/16
    anyway) on the top surface of your home altar, with a 7x7 cut out.  But
    one problem is, the plywood tends to be curved.  And when it's not flat,
    it makes a bulge in the top of the altar, which wobbles up and down
    when the priest is trying to pray. No Good.  

    One way of solving this problem is to "score" the back of the plywood
    with numerous deep cuts, about 3/4 the thickness of the plywood.  So
    for a 3/4 sheet, that would be about 9/16" deep score lines.  They can be
    made with a handheld circular saw, or a table saw, but the table saw is
    a lot of work, unless you have a finish apparatus with a sliding table.

    A simpler approach is just get a high grade of plywood, (expensive) or
    else use MDF (medium density fiberboard), which is naturally very flat.  
    It's also heavy.  You could use particle board as well, but it tends to have
    a smell that is not so peasant.  It contains formaldehyde, usually.

    The various types of plastic that I mentioned above all would do fine
    with an altar stone cut-out.  I suppose you could even use a very dense
    foam rubber mat, but be sure it is very dense.  That actually might be the
    most comfortable surface for a priest to use.  I've never asked about
    that.  Someone here may know though..................

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    Offline Sigismund

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    How high should an altar be? Some suggestions...
    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 08:19:10 PM »
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  • Actually, many Lutheran alters face the proper direction.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    How high should an altar be? Some suggestions...
    « Reply #2 on: January 22, 2013, 09:22:59 PM »
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  • This is our altar in our home chapel... I had a carpenter friend o'mine make it out of wooden beams. I will post the dimensions as soon as I remember them!! Great post, Neil! I am sure not a lot of people think about the altar height issue! Our priest has no trouble at all saying Holy Mass on it.

    Love,
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    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 09:32:57 PM »
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  • Here is what the construction looks like! (sorry.. holy candle storage and Infant of Prague vestments are stored underneath!!

    "God's power is made perfect in infirmity" --St. Paul

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    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 09:33:34 PM »
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  • Ready for Holy Mass!!

    "God's power is made perfect in infirmity" --St. Paul


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 02:08:08 AM »
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  • I think it's great, michaela benedicta, that you have a nice altar in your home.  

    And the covering goes down in front to the floor.  That's one of the things they
    gave up on getting ready for the Newmass, in the early 60's.  I don't think it
    was unrelated to the height of women's skirts, either.  By the time the Newmass
    hit town, bikinis were all the rage in public pools and sandy beaches.  

    But now, how can Trads expect women to wear long skirts when the altar's
    wearing a bikini suit?










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    « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 12:36:05 PM »
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  • Miss Machaela,

    Do Priests come to your home to say Mass?

    Where are you located?

    Where did you get the beautiful lace?

    Can we get some also?

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    « Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 07:13:27 PM »
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  • Dear Pablo,
    Yes we have a priest come to our home for Holy Mass... I am immunosupressed (which means I have a low immune system, and can catch colds from ANYTHING, plus I am disabled. So, I am very fortunate to have a priest friend that comes to help me.  :incense:
    I reside in Texas. Also, you won't believe it, but the lace on the altar is actually a Last Supper tablecloth that I purchased at a dollar store years ago! I also get linens off of EBay for the altar.

    Hope this helps! have a happy and holy day!!

    Love,
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    « Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 09:33:17 PM »
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  • Thank you, Pablo, for your kind post. I hope that you have a happy and holy day! God bless you, you and your family are in my prayers. Viva Cristo Rey!! (and Our Mommy of Guadalupe!)

    Love,
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    « Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 10:22:37 PM »
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  • What a blessing that you have a priest who can come to your house.  And what an incredibly beautiful altar you have!

    Marsha

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    « Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 05:43:36 AM »
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  • I was faced with the question posed by this thread when, at short notice, I had to make a portable altar for a requiem Mass celebrated in hired premises. Since the notes that I made at the time have just come to my attention, I thought I would offer an answer.

    I found that in his lecture "Catholic or Conciliar?", Fr Gommar de Pauw had recommended an altar height of 41 inches (104 cm).

    The materials I had to hand, and the space available in the car, limited my construction to a height of 36 inches. This was satisfactory, but I am of the opinion that, ergonomically and visually, the height recommended by Fr de Pauw would have been better if it had been practical.

    The altar top, incidentally, was 24 inches deep and 72 inches long (being cut into two 36-inch lengths joined together with flap hinges).


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    « Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 12:18:12 PM »
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  • Good stuff, Sunbeam.

    24" deep is important. 61 cm

    72" long, likewise.  That's six feet, or 1.83 meters.

    And 41" tall.  That's an inch short of 3-1/2 feet, or 104 cm.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 01:37:46 PM »
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  • That’s right, Neil.

    ...and 1.83 metres (as we spell it over here) is 1 fathom
    or 2 yards
    or 4 cubits
    or 1.074626866 smoots, to the first nine places of decimals.