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Offline SeanJohnson

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« on: January 03, 2013, 09:01:40 PM »
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  • No doubt, there are many SSPX parishioners who see the writing on the wall, and would love nothing more than to have an alternate venue ready to go, but who (lacking practical business acuмen, initiative, time, and/or leadership) simply don't know how to get it done.

    It is for such persons that I write this post, to give you a loose "blueprint," as it were, on how to organize locally, and bring this option to fruition.

    Here, in proper chronology, are the steps to take:

    1) Hopefully, you have perked up your ears in the church basement after Mass, and know a few people who are like-minded.  If these people are discreet and trustworthy, let them in on your idea.  They too would have been perking up their ears around the coffee pot, and likely also know a couple additional like-minded persons.  

    2) Somehow, you must build enough trust to get people to consent to a public, but discreet, meeting (by invitation only!).  This has the effect of building confidence through numbers.  You are not alone, and in fact have much more support than you thought, when you were left to your own private misery!

    3) Take stock of your numbers: How many are you?  How many were too scared to come, but would have come, had they known X people would show up?  How many donors are among you (Huge question!  A priest can't come your way on a magic carpet!)?  

    4) If you could get a priest, where would you have the Holy Mass?

    5) Where would the priests stay (and will this answer present additional expenses your group can handle)?

    6) What method of transportation will the priest use (I.e, If the priest is forced to drive rather than fly, his visits will be much less frequent; if you are willing to incur the added expense of flying, can your group support the expense?)?

    7) Priests are human beings!  A group willing to dole out health insurance, auto insurance, a car, etc., would be in a much stronger position to have a higher frequency of visits than a group that can hardly muster gas and food.  Our good priests should have the bare necessities taken care of!  If you desire to retain normalcy in an abnormal crisis, consider that a priest who will be spreading himself pretty thinly must take this into consideration.

    8) Once you have all this figured out, contact Fr. Pfeiffer, Bishop Williamson, or other resistance priest and let them know you are viable, and make a formal request.

    9) Appoint a leader, or leaders, to handle this on behalf of the group: A priest can't be talking business to 10-30 different people from the same group.

    10) Understand that the priest will also have practical questions for you: They must do the most good for the most people.  Do not be taken aback by such questions.  This is how things get done.  They will need to consider your offer, and weigh it against competing requests.

    11) Think about the future: You need to pay for what you want.  You need a church.  You need a rectory.  You may desire a school.  All these things can be addressed in the future, but you need men (not women!) with business acuмen, and the foresight to guide the development of your local group's aspirations.  Don't forget, a priest also wants normalcy, and a group that has a comprehensive and long-term vision will climb high on the priority list when requesting weekly Mass!

    Conclusion: This is a bare bones blueprint of going about organizing a local resistance chapel in your locale.  You can fill in the blanks.  It provides enough to get you up and running.  

    It might be helpful for other Cathinfo members to off their helpful considerations.

    Ps: And if there are any priests here on Cathinfo, your suggestions would be particularly helpful.

    Pax tecuм,

    Seraphim
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    « Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 12:49:35 AM »
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  • We did it before... and we can do it again !



    We got a heck of a job to do... but we can do it again!




    Millions of voices are ringing... singing as we march along.




    We'll knock em over and get the guys in back of them...



    We did it before... we can do it again!

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    « Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 01:12:13 AM »
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  • "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 01:25:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    No doubt, there are many SSPX parishioners who see the writing on the wall, and would love nothing more than to have an alternate venue ready to go, but who (lacking practical business acuмen, initiative, time, and/or leadership) simply don't know how to get it done.

    It is for such persons that I write this post, to give you a loose "blueprint," as it were, on how to organize locally, and bring this option to fruition.

    Here, in proper chronology, are the steps to take:

    1) Hopefully, you have perked up your ears in the church basement after Mass, and know a few people who are like-minded.  If these people are discreet and trustworthy, let them in on your idea.  They too would have been perking up their ears around the coffee pot, and likely also know a couple additional like-minded persons.  

    2) Somehow, you must build enough trust to get people to consent to a public, but discreet, meeting (by invitation only!).  This has the effect of building confidence through numbers.  You are not alone, and in fact have much more support than you thought, when you were left to your own private misery!

    3) Take stock of your numbers: How many are you?  How many were too scared to come, but would have come, had they known X people would show up?  How many donors are among you (Huge question!  A priest can't come your way on a magic carpet!)?  

    4) If you could get a priest, where would you have the Holy Mass?

    5) Where would the priests stay (and will this answer present additional expenses your group can handle)?

    6) What method of transportation will the priest use (I.e, If the priest is forced to drive rather than fly, his visits will be much less frequent; if you are willing to incur the added expense of flying, can your group support the expense?)?

    7) Priests are human beings!  A group willing to dole out health insurance, auto insurance, a car, etc., would be in a much stronger position to have a higher frequency of visits than a group that can hardly muster gas and food.  Our good priests should have the bare necessities taken care of!  If you desire to retain normalcy in an abnormal crisis, consider that a priest who will be spreading himself pretty thinly must take this into consideration.

    8) Once you have all this figured out, contact Fr. Pfeiffer, Bishop Williamson, or other resistance priest and let them know you are viable, and make a formal request.

    9) Appoint a leader, or leaders, to handle this on behalf of the group: A priest can't be talking business to 10-30 different people from the same group.

    10) Understand that the priest will also have practical questions for you: They must do the most good for the most people.  Do not be taken aback by such questions.  This is how things get done.  They will need to consider your offer, and weigh it against competing requests.

    11) Think about the future: You need to pay for what you want.  You need a church.  You need a rectory.  You may desire a school.  All these things can be addressed in the future, but you need men (not women!) with business acuмen, and the foresight to guide the development of your local group's aspirations.  Don't forget, a priest also wants normalcy, and a group that has a comprehensive and long-term vision will climb high on the priority list when requesting weekly Mass!

    Conclusion: This is a bare bones blueprint of going about organizing a local resistance chapel in your locale.  You can fill in the blanks.  It provides enough to get you up and running.  

    It might be helpful for other Cathinfo members to off their helpful considerations.

    Ps: And if there are any priests here on Cathinfo, your suggestions would be particularly helpful.

    Pax tecuм,

    Seraphim


    Very pratical indeed. I agree 100%:applause:
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    « Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 07:59:14 AM »
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  • Who are the priests in pictures 1 and 3?


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    « Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 08:44:17 AM »
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  • Picture #1  is Fr. Charles Coughlin

    Picture #3 is St. Maximillion Kolbe

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    « Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 12:40:36 PM »
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  • So I guess it would probably cost well more than a grand for a plane ticket, rental car, accommodations, just for one Mass.  More than the few of families here that I know of so far could afford except maybe once or twice a year.

     :sad:

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    « Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 03:46:19 PM »
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  • I would like to set up a Resistance chapel -- eventually.

    I'm sure this whole crisis will come to a head sooner or later -- a new hybrid Mass, a compromise with the Novus Ordo, a new Pope, a new policy in the SSPX, etc. and then things will get rolling.

    I think it's a good idea for all of us to make plans NOW. We should network with like-minded others, plan other Mass venues, etc. But if you're in Accordista territory, then you need to be DOING as well.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 03:06:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    So I guess it would probably cost well more than a grand for a plane ticket, rental car, accommodations, just for one Mass.  More than the few of families here that I know of so far could afford except maybe once or twice a year.
     :sad:


    You have to think like a frugal person.

    Not everything has to be bought with money.

    The plane ticket, maybe. But if anyone can host a priest in a guest room, etc. it will cost you nothing. Same for a car. Why not put him on the insurance of your second or third car? Many households have more than one car, even if the second car is old or worth very little.

    If you can't outright give a car to your priest, you can at least provide him a car when he's in your area. That will save you a car rental.

    If you upgrade your car, don't sell the old one to the car lot! That's SO "baby boomer"! You should keep the old one just for the heck of it. That way you have a car to lend out (including to yourself) when a car needs to be repaired.

    The $1000 or $1500 the car lot is prepared to give you is NOT more valuable than having another working vehicle in the family.


    That's what my wife's family does. They *never* sell a car. They drive each car until it's no longer viable. If they buy a new one, or end up with too many cars, they give one to a family member that could use it.  That seems quite smart to me. We'll be doing that ourselves, once it applies to us :)

    As for a Mass location, try to use an existing place. Clean out an entire room of your house, or your basement. Make it a huge, multi-family, multi-week project. See how thorough you can be! You'd be surprised what is possible with an open mind, some hard work, and effort.

    And even the plane ticket can be cheaper, if you shop around. Buy it weeks or months in advance. Find someone with frequent flyer miles. Use Priceline. Be creative. Check Craigslist in your area to see if someone is trying to unload a plane ticket they can't use -- if you can hit one of those, you might get it for pennies on the dollar.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 02:50:56 AM »
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  • Just FYI for those who don't fly often- plane tickets can cost as little as a little over $100 if you shop around and choose your dates carefully. And not all last minute changes are expensive. It's possible to find plane tickets just a few days in advance for under $200.







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    « Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 02:52:51 AM »
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  • Bravo Matthew, we all need positive comments, helpful advice. Keep your cars, yes, and stock up, as Mgr Williamson said, and have foresight.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 06:58:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mary Therese
    Quote from: Seraphim
    Request to Matthew:

    The thread is intended to be instructional.

    On the chance feminists begin to derail it, it may be a good idea either to lock it, or, remove my "not women!" words (words which I fully stand by, for the record). :nunchaku:


    At the risk of being called a "feminist", so you're telling me to go sit down in a corner and shut up? I have no business in the fight because I'm a woman?What about the "Holy Women" in the Acts of the Apostles who aided in the missionary journeys, etc. (wealthy business women). So I'll just quit talking to people about the crises, I'll quit printing copies of "Operation ѕυιcιdє". I stop the planning for a chapel, so far we're just women, so I guess to have no business in dealing with such things, what do I know about anything (I'll just burn my degree in the fireplace, I'm just so dumb-that's what I find that the typical "Trad" expects of women), well are you going to kick me out of the resistance- sorry I'know how difficult it is to carry on?) My husband is agnostic, I have to fight for my catholic convictions and spend time explaining this anti-woman side of the movement to him. I've spoken to my priest about this part of catholic culture, he apologized and encouraged me to not allow it to affect my faith, and you can be sure that it won't, I love the faith, I love Our Blessed Lord and His Mother, but like I said boy oh boy, you guys can make it so hard, what's with this throwing the "feminist" word out there and then ecpecting us all to run away, afraid in case you label us. I'm no feminist, but now I guess that's what you'll call me because it's just so much easier to label someone and dismiss them. Try it and see what happens in eternity. God bless, please can't you just be more considerate in your speech, why do you assume that everyone has the  benefit of these "strong catholic men" to support them!      


    Hello Marie Therese... I know just what you mean. This just started happening on the other thread regarding Mgr Williamson's conference, called 'Why women should not sing at Mass'. When you listen the whole of his talk, and not take any of it out of context, you can see that what he ways makes a lot of sense. So, what happened then...? Immediately you got the usual whining noises of how it is women's fault, etc., etc. So I responded... See my comments under 1531.

    Bishop Williamson called men 'dishrags' and explained that was why women had to take the lead and fill the vacuum! since men, and I mean most traditionalist Catholic men especially since they should be the bright example, have largely abdicated their responsibilities. There are not a few wives of traditional Catholic men who will confirm how their men are content a lot of the time to play computer games, pass the time on the internet, watch TV, especially the sporting channels, and so on. Various priests will also confirm this.

    God bless the women who have kept the lamp burning!

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    « Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 07:56:19 AM »
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  •  so true 1531, i heard a priest say 'God will judge fathers of family's quite harshly,' so much is left to women....... :pray:

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    « Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 11:05:46 PM »
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  • Heh. Bishop Williamson: 'if the men were men, they would say 'look honey, just move aside, this is not your business, I'll handle this.' Now when trad men say just that, they get a slew of down-rates and a blast or two from some of the same women telling us how much they enjoyed his Excellency's talk and how women are just looking for men to lead.

    Ah well. I do like to see women with some fight in them. Any of you happen to be Irish?

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    « Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 12:43:32 PM »
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  • The FACT is that women do have it within them to "fill the void" when necessary.

    That doesn't mean that women were meant to lead, or that things are perfect when they have to fill the void. Certain problems will arise that WOULDN'T have arisen if the women hadn't been forced to use the "in case of emergency, break glass".

    Many women have it within them to "be strong" and survive, in the absence of a man (husband who died young, was killed, ran away, etc.). But it's always a sad thing when they have to.

    Think of a group of 3 minor children being left orphans in a war. The 12 year old, the oldest, finds odd jobs and earns money, and manages to take care of his 10 year old sister and 8 year old brother. How heroic! How beautiful! But also how sad.

    Women having to go out into the work world should be thought of in a similar manner. How heroic that they manage! But also how sad that they must leave their normal role behind, because of this grave necessity they find themselves in.
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