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Ladislaus, are you dumb or just maliciously twisting what your opponents say?
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Bishop Williamson against sedevacantism
« Last post by 2Vermont on Yesterday at 12:39:40 PM »
No doubt you believe that your opinion is worth SO MUCH MORE than Bishop Williamsons'.

Here's another quote from the video:

"Consider what Archbishop Lefebvre said in late 1979 in a conference to Econe seminarians:

"We must be prudent. It is obvious that if Pope Paul Vl was not pope, then the cardinals he appointed are not cardinals, so they cannot have elected John-Paul l, and they cannot have validly elected John-Paul ll, that much is clear."
I do think my opinion is the correct one, but it's not MY opinion.  It is the opinion of other Catholic bishops and clergy.

So, tell me, Meg how does this quote square with ABL's comment that "Rome is in apostasy". You said he said this.  He seems to be arguing against the idea that Rome is in apostasy here. 
 
A half a dozen posts later referencing a video that doesn't answer my question, you still haven't explained what ABL meant by "Rome is in apostasy"...so what does it mean?  You're the one who brought it up in the first place.
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These bishops are Latin rite (of the Latin Church).

There are still the Ukrainian Catholic Church, the Coptic Catholic Church and dozens more that have valid episcopal consecration, not to mention they don’t seem to give a flip about Vatican 2. The Ukrainian Uniates have been denounced by the Orthodox in Ukraine for not being ecumenical enough and basically taking control of ex-Orthodox churches in a Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet style.

These home aloners look like complete idiots when the bigger picture of Who and What the Catholic Church is comes to light. Just because a large portion of the Latin Church has defected means nothing. The Churches which use the Byzantine and Alexandrian rites are alive and well.
Finding a Ukrainian or Coptic Church within a distance you can travel to weekly is downright impossible for most people I'd imagine. 
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These bishops are Latin rite (of the Latin Church). 

There are still the Ukrainian Catholic Church, the Coptic Catholic Church and dozens more that have valid episcopal consecration, not to mention they don’t seem to give a flip about Vatican 2. The Ukrainian Uniates have been denounced by the Orthodox in Ukraine for not being ecumenical enough and basically taking control of ex-Orthodox churches in a Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet style. 

These home aloners look like complete idiots when the bigger picture of Who and What the Catholic Church is comes to light. Just because a large portion of the Latin Church has defected means nothing. The Churches which use the Byzantine and Alexandrian rites are alive and well. 
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The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism / Re: Are Globers Catholic?
« Last post by Jaynek on Yesterday at 12:31:50 PM »
That's not quite what I said.  Wiki says most ancients were flat earthers and the multitude of drawings and maps proving that are readily available on Wiki and the Internet.  
Your exact words were:
  Wikipedia favors the heliocentric globe and still admits all nations of antiquity, that is prior to Copernicus, were flat earthers.  That is, until it was all polluted by the Revolution. 

Wikipedia does not say what you claim. The article may be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth  It says that spherical earth was adopted long before Copernicus:

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The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy[1][2] but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[3][4][5][6] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation(1519−1522).[7]
The concept of a spherical Earth displaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth:


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From its Greek origins, the idea of a spherical earth, along with much of Greek astronomical thought, slowly spread across the globe and ultimately became the adopted view in all major astronomical traditions.[3][4][5][6]
In the West, the idea came to the Romans through the lengthy process of cross-fertilization with Hellenistic civilization. Many Roman authors such as Cicero and Pliny refer in their works to the rotundity of the earth as a matter of course.[30]

There is nothing on Wikipedia to support your claim that belief in a spherical earth was introduced by Copernicus.
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The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism / Re: Are Globers Catholic?
« Last post by forlorn on Yesterday at 12:28:34 PM »
That's not quite what I said.  Wiki says most ancients were flat earthers and the multitude of drawings and maps proving that are readily available on Wiki and the Internet.  Aristotle and Ptolemy are just two guys out of billions.  Without the benefit of media, its doubtful their notions were of much benefit to most people living between BC and the 1600's.  Ultimately, after the Galileo Affair attesting to the contrary, the notion caught on because they were also guys respected for other things.  Despite the acceptance of the Pythagorean doctrine and Copernican Revolution they started, they have been contested along the way by many Catholics and even a fair number of Protestants.  It took centuries, but indeed, their pagan doctrine is now fully espoused by a largely pagan world who's leaders are known as globalists, Freemasons, Communists, etc.  How apropos.      
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

Wrong. Most of the Greeks accepted a spherical earth by 300 BC, and it quickly spread to Rome and the rest of Europe and the Near-East. By 1000 AD, belief in a sphere Earth was universal among the educated(read: the clergy and the nobility).

If they believed in a flat earth, then explain to me why priests such as Gautier de Metz were never condemned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautier_de_Metz

Saint Thomas also believed in a spherical earth and assumed the reader did too, remarking on how all the different types of professionals and educated had their own ways of observing the roundness of the earth. In Summa Theologiae he wrote: "The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e. g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e. g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the center, and so forth."

Blessed(or St. if you're NO) Hildegaard also believed in a spherical earth, and again did not present it as a novel idea or cutting edge science, but as well-accepted fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Hildegard_von_Bingen-_%27Werk_Gottes%27%2C_12._Jh..jpg/220px-Hildegard_von_Bingen-_%27Werk_Gottes%27%2C_12._Jh..jpg


And last, but certainly not least, medieval Europe's foremost astronomical textbook:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_sphaera_mundi
This book(written by a Catholic monk btw) which taught a SPHERICAL EARTH was made in 1230 and was used as a textbook in universities(which were, again, run by Catholic monks) for hundreds of years.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Bishop Williamson against sedevacantism
« Last post by Meg on Yesterday at 12:21:52 PM »
Do you think the Church designed by God includes a continual succession of heretical Popes, which Catholics must severe communion from, as to preserve the Faith?

In your view, the terrestrial head of the Church has turned to be in fact Her enemy.

What type of Church that is?

Here's another quote from the video:

"Sedevacantists frequently exaggerate the Church's indefectibility, just as they frequently exaggerate the Popes' infallibility, because that is what they need to support their emotional horror at what has become of the Church since the Council."

~'Sedevacantism Again - ll,' by Bishop Williamsom
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Bishop Williamson against sedevacantism
« Last post by Meg on Yesterday at 12:15:16 PM »
Still no answer.  Just Bishop Williamson's opinion.

No doubt you believe that your opinion is worth SO MUCH MORE than Bishop Williamsons'.

Here's another quote from the video:

"Consider what Archbishop Lefebvre said in late 1979 in a conference to Econe seminarians:

"We must be prudent. It is obvious that if Pope Paul Vl was not pope, then the cardinals he appointed are not cardinals, so they cannot have elected John-Paul l, and they cannot have validly elected John-Paul ll, that much is clear."
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The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism / Re: Are Globers Catholic?
« Last post by happenby on Yesterday at 12:11:45 PM »
Wikipedia says no such thing.  You cannot give a quote of it saying that everyone prior to Copernicus was a flat earther.

Yes, many ancient people believed in a flat earth but Aristotle and Ptolemy were highly influential teachers of spherical earth. This belief dominated the West for most of the time since Christ.
That's not quite what I said.  Wiki says most ancients were flat earthers and the multitude of drawings and maps proving that are readily available on Wiki and the Internet.  Aristotle and Ptolemy are just two guys out of billions.  Without the benefit of media, its doubtful their notions were of much benefit to most people living between BC and the 1600's.  Ultimately, after the Galileo Affair attesting to the contrary, the notion caught on because they were also guys respected for other things.  Despite the acceptance of the Pythagorean doctrine and Copernican Revolution they started, they have been contested along the way by many Catholics and even a fair number of Protestants.  It took centuries, but indeed, their pagan doctrine is now fully espoused by a largely pagan world who's leaders are known as globalists, Freemasons, Communists, etc.  How apropos.      
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Bishop Williamson against sedevacantism
« Last post by Cantarella on Yesterday at 12:11:08 PM »
Since you likely haven't bothered to view the video, here's a quote from it:

"The Church designed by God to rest upon the living Pope cannot have existed for the last half century (1962-2014) without one."

~"Living Popes," by Bishop Williamson

Do you think the Church designed by God includes a continual succession of heretical Popes, which Catholics must severe communion from, as to preserve the Faith?

In your view, the terrestrial head of the Church has turned to be in fact Her enemy. 

What type of Church that is?
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