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What does it matter which criminal they hold forth as the face of the Israeli regime?
The way pax worded it, it seemed like he was saying they were all damned. But he clarified later after I asked.Byzcat, I never used the word 'damned' or 'hell' or anything of the sort. I said that "if one could be CERTAIN they could save their soul by accepting V2 and the new mass", then Tradition is schismatic and sinful. The point being that the V2/new mass church provide UNCERTAIN ways to salvation, because those that accept the new religion don't receive the full Faith, nor do they attend a mass that is without sinful abuse/scandal.
I won't answer for Pax, although I think he'd agree, but the way I answer that question is:The way pax worded it, it seemed like he was saying they were all damned. But he clarified later after I asked.
I am sure that I would go to hell if I were to accept V2 and the new "mass", because accepting necessarily means that I believe all of the heresies of V2 to be Catholic truths. To do that means that I no longer believe, and instead reject the true faith and Mass for the new faith and "mass". I cannot do both, God said no one can.
There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that I'd end up in hell because I'm positive that I would lose the faith in very short order, just as has happened since V2, and is still happening to, *as far as I know*, every single person who accepts V2 and the new mass. I could never get to heaven if I lose the faith before I die.
I know what my fate would be, but how or if others are able to avoid losing the faith and avoid going to hell by accepting V2 and the new "mass", I have no idea how they can accomplish that.
You:Your problem is that you are not differentiating. The law for voting *is* the same law and applies only to those within the conclave. This is indisputable so please, no sense arguing this point any further.
I quoted you verbatim. You said they are "the same law."
A law that says "all cardinals vote" is NOT "the same law" as the law that says "cardinals over 80 may not vote."
You might as well argue that "black" and "not black" are the same color.
Pardon my ignorance but is Fr. Meramo a recognised authority that elicits OP's respect? I found a letter of his written to Bishop Fellay with his name and station at the bottom on TIA :