May God be with you!

Good summary.

Probably valid = not certain = doubtful.  Canon Law and Pope Innocent forbid attendance at doubtful masses/sacraments, under penalty of grave sin.

Illegitimate = illicit = grave sin to use/attend such rites, per canon law.

Quote from: songbird 2025-08-19, 11:55:38 AM
Pope Pius XI was directed to consecrate Russia.  It was his responsibility. He did not as we know or people would not continue this.  Our Lady said, first Pope Pius XI, because he did not heed the request of GOD!, he will be like King Louis XIV, dethroned. He lost authority in his pontificate. LouisXIV was beheaded ( church lost Her Head)

Now, Our lady said, because the consecration did not take place the errors of Russia will spread.  All of this did take place.  God will be the one to put things back in order.  We will go to the end of latter times. Then after tribulations a time of Peace, Our Lady will reign, Her Immaculate Heart will be established.

Now, how can a not catholic, heretical pope consecrate anyone or any thing.  He is not even a priest!

In 1931, Our Lord confirmed to Sister Lucia that the consecration would be performed, though late, and warned of consequences comparable to King Louis XIV losing his crown, symbolizing the Church temporarily losing her head. The errors of Russia did indeed spread, but God continues to work through the papacy. True resistance obeys Our Lady by praying for the Pope and urging him to fulfill her request. Confusing moral failure with invalidity of office or priesthood misrepresents both history and Fatima’s message.

Any argument denying papal authority in this way collapses under history, Tradition, and Fatima’s message, and reminds us that sedevacantism itself is a post–Vatican II novelty that is self-refuting and produces no real fruits of the Faith.

Boru,
You have an over-simplistic way of understanding Church decisions.  There are various levels and various degrees of Church authority.  Examples:

1.  Pope Pius XII declares that the Assumption of Our Lady is a dogma.
a.  In your mind, you call this a "church decision" because the pope was involved.  But that's too general of a description and incorrect.
b.  This is an infallible statement, made by a pope.  The pope is speaking in place of the Holy Ghost, protected by God, from error.
c.  This is much, much more than a simple church decision.  It's a declared doctrine, using Apostolic authority.
d.  The declaration of a dogma is irrevocable.  Unchangeable.  Set in stone.  It's an infallible decree of Divine Truth.
e.  So this would be an example of a "church decision" which cannot change.


2.  Another example, are any solemn decrees from an ecuмenical council.  (V2 didn't issue any solemn decrees, so let's not get off track there).
a.  These solemn decrees are infallible.  Unchangeable.  Divine Truth.
b.  So this would be an example of a "church decision" which cannot change.


3.  JohnPaul2's declaration which upheld the historical/consistent teaching of the Church (from Apostolic times) that only men can be priests.
a.  This teaching is called an 'ordinary and universal' teaching because a) it's never been solemnly declared, but only ordinarily declared, and b) universally held by all catholic nations, ages, centuries, etc.
b.  This teaching is part of Tradition.  It cannot be changed.

4.  The fast on Good Friday and all fridays of the year.
a.  This is of Apostolic origin.  It cannot be changed.  It came from Christ (that's what Apostolic origin means).
b.  V2 allowed meat to be eaten on non-lent fridays, but...a similar penance still must be done.
c.  The penance itself, is the substance of the "friday fast" and cannot be changed or undone.


5.  Church decision on creating a feast day for "St (fill in the blank)".
a.  This is not scriptural, nor apostolic, nor Traditional.
b.  This can be created, changed, removed, etc.

6.  Church decision to make Christmas a holy day of obligation.
a.  This is part of Apostolic Tradition.  Christmas is a holy day in every liturgy and every church around the world.
b.  This cannot be changed.
c.  This is beyond the Church's authority.

Not every "church decision" is changeable.  Your over-simplistic view is your main problem.  Your secondary problem is your defense of V2.

Pope Pius XI was directed to consecrate Russia.  It was his responsibility. He did not as we know or people would not continue this.  Our Lady said, first Pope Pius XI, because he did not heed the request of GOD!, he will be like King Louis XIV, dethroned. He lost authority in his pontificate. LouisXIV was beheaded ( church lost Her Head)

Now, Our lady said, because the consecration did not take place the errors of Russia will spread.  All of this did take place.  God will be the one to put things back in order.  We will go to the end of latter times. Then after tribulations a time of Peace, Our Lady will reign, Her Immaculate Heart will be established.

Now, how can a not catholic, heretical pope consecrate anyone or any thing.  He is not even a priest!