Must priests who come to Tradition be re-ordained?

This article by Fr. Peter Scott first appeared in the September 2007 issue of The Angelus magazine.


https://sspx.org/en/must-priests-who-come-tradition-be-re-ordained-30479

If it cannot be said, as with Anglican orders, that the Novus Ordo rite was changed with the manifest intention of rejecting a sacrificing priesthood, nevertheless the deliberate exclusion of the notion of propitiation, in order to please Protestants, could easily be considered as casting a doubt on the intention of doing what the Church does, namely of offering a true and propitiatory sacrifice. Of course, this doubt would not exist if the ordaining bishop had indicated otherwise his truly Catholic intention of doing what the Church does.

This is known as the Protoevangelium, fotetelling how the seed ( Christ) of Eve ( Mary) will crush the head of the serpent ( satan) and the serpent will bruise his heel ( Christ Crucifixion). I think that scene is exactly that, Christ , the seed of the woman crushed the head of the snake, but it cost Him his life in being crucified and dying for us to defeat death and lifting the expulsion of mankind from heaven.

Correct me if I'm wrong on Catholic theological teaching on this.

We all grew up knowing this.



Certainly, Gibson has a good bio-cover story.

But I think he didn't grow-up knowing this.

So far, whenever any of the Sede minded posters refer to the 'Old' SPPX in support of their "invalid" stance with regards to New Rite Ordinations etc, they have asked me to read what Fr. Peter Scott of the SSPX had to say on the subject or His Lordship Bishop Tissier de Mallarais. So, in the name of fairness, I went on a hunt, and well, it proved to be a rather unsuccessful endevour. Perhaps these posters would like to share some concrete evidence that they have that is not on the internet?

For starters the only information I could pull up about Fr. Scott is the following: "Fr. Peter Scott has pointed out that a positive doubt about the per se validity of the 1968 form of ordination as promulgated does not exist, for the strictly essential part of the form is practically identical to that defined by Pope Pius XII in 1947. It may be invalid in specific cases, he said, owing to defect of intention or poor vernacular translation. " This is a comment summarising Fr. Scott's outline in the 2007 edition of the Angelus.

As for His Lordship, the only one I could find was his Ordination Sermon of June 29, 2016, published by the SSPX UK as an "unofficial translation". Now this sermon is expressed with great clarity. He opens with "...We remember the beautiful words of Pius X 'To restore all things in Christ'...especially by the Catholic priesthood." He then proceeds to outline what a priest is - a mediator between God and man - and how this is symbolized in the ordination ceremony. It is when he begins to outline the three rites that are performed after the candidate has been ordained a priest, that the New Ordination Rite is first mentioned: "...my dear faithful, this wonderful anointing of the priest's hands was (tampered with - 'truque') by the conciliar Church for the past 46 years. Paul VI instituted other words which do not speak of consecration or sanctification. This is why we preciously safeguard the treasure of these ordination prayers." This was followed later by " But this prayer (concerning the Chalice and Paten), once again, was tampered with...we cannot accept this new, tampered with ordination rite, which casts doubts on the validity of numerous (NOTE not all) ordinations according to the new rite....this new rite of ordination is not Catholic."

Strong words indeed! And he was right in every thing he said. But what he did not say was that the New Ordination Rite itself was invalid. The thrust of his comparison was to show how the modernists had stripped back a beautiful teaching rite, rich in symbolism, to the 'bare-bones' of what the Rite was enacting - which in turn, has lead to many priests losing a sense of who and what they are; stripping it back to the point it no longer projects a clear Catholic spirit. There is no doubt that His Lordship had doubts. But, as far as I have found, he has never declared them positive doubts. And he has always held that the Popes since 1958 were indeed Popes.

Yes, I agree, as the Church IS the Body of Christ (the Hypostatic Union) it certainly will be - or is being - scourged and stripped, and there will come a time when this Body is crucified by Her enemies and hidden from sight for three and a half days. Scripture tells us this in Revelation:

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and it was said to me: Arise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar and them that adore therein.
² But the court, which is without the temple, cast out, and measure it not: because it is given unto the Gentiles, and the holy city they shall tread under foot two and forty months (three and half years):
³ And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days (roughly three and half years), clothed in sackcloth.
⁴ These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, that stand before the Lord of the earth....

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss, shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
⁸ And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified (Jerusalem).
⁹ And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres.
¹⁰ And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.
¹¹ And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them that saw them." - Rev. 1:11.

The Olive trees mean 'Anointed Ones' and traditionally believed to be the Holy Father and an Earthly Catholic king.
This means the visibly Body that has always been there, will be hidden from sight for three and half days for there is no Church, no Body of Christ without the Papacy, its head, as Pope Leo XIII teaches.

Keep in mind, Jesus was both God and man. So while he died as a man and 'gave up his human spirit', He never died as God. The divine nature - His divine soul - remained with the Body.