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Catholic Living in the Modern World / Re: Bad news for Cassini
« Last post by Jonah on Yesterday at 04:21:01 AM »
:pray:
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Benedikt on Yesterday at 01:51:57 AM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:46:06 PM
If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...

The Second Vatican Council was from 1962-25. The Society of St Pius X was erected in 1970.

What the Neo-SSPX has done in making deals with modernist Rome is gravely imprudent and will most likely have dire consequences, some of which we are seeing already with the acceptance of doubtful sacraments, including doubtful priests.

But that does not translate into sin or a danger to the Faith for everyone who attends good Catholic SSPX Masses as you want to insist. Such rigidity and lack of pastoral prudence endangers souls in my opinion.

I am not opposed to souls taking the decision that it is best for them or their family not to attend the SSPX, but I am opposed to the view that it must be given the red light for all. I have no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre would have been of the same mind, as was Bishop Williamson.
Historical hypotheticals do not excuse present submission. The Neo-SSPX has publicly aligned itself with Conciliar Rome. Attending it is cooperation in error, not prudence, and objectively endangers the fight for the Faith. 

You can kick and scream all you want, it does not change the reality.

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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 01:47:14 AM »
You have already picked the wrong side in this war.
The only side I have picked is the Resistance. Your logic is faulty!
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 01:46:06 AM »
This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.
If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...

The Second Vatican Council was from 1962-25. The Society of St Pius X was erected in 1970.

What the Neo-SSPX has done in making deals with modernist Rome is gravely imprudent and will most likely have dire consequences, some of which we are seeing already with the acceptance of doubtful sacraments, including doubtful priests.

But that does not translate into sin or a danger to the Faith for everyone who attends good Catholic SSPX Masses as you want to insist. Such rigidity and lack of pastoral prudence endangers souls in my opinion. 

I am not opposed to souls taking the decision that it is best for them or their family not to attend the SSPX, but I am opposed to the view that it must be given the red light for all. I have no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre would have been of the same mind, as was Bishop Williamson.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Benedikt on Yesterday at 01:31:42 AM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PMQuote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PM
Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.

As one of the faithful attending Mass at the SSPX I am not necessarily being silent, nor am I submitting in any way whatsoever to error. I am in a good position to alert priests and faithful to the change in direction, of which many are still unaware, with the ensuing dangers. It is not betraying anyone or anything. If I did not fulfill my Sunday obligation, however, I know beyond any doubt that for me, I would be betraying Our Lord and committing a mortal sin.

Barring a miracle, it seems likely that the SSPX will continue to slide into the arms of Conciliar Rome and that the silence of the Neo-SSPX could result in the greater number of SSPX Trads becoming modernist. But if this happens, how long will it take? It has certainly not happened in 13 years and to claim such would be a monstrous exaggeration. Will it take a few generations yet? Would all these souls be better off becoming home-aloners now? There is danger no matter what you do. It is important to know yourself and to know the fight for the Faith that we are engaged in, and to take into account the particular circuмstances that you and those dependent upon you find yourselves in.

Certainly, encourage souls to attend and support the Resistance, which is necessary to preserve the Faith as you rightly say. Certainly enlighten them to the new direction of the Neo-SSPX placing them on the slippery slide of liberalism. But stop pontificating when it comes to forbidding the faithful to attend truly Catholic sacraments. That was never the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, nor is it Catholic.

 

Attending the Neo-SSPX is not Resistance. It is a living contradiction, a surrender cloaked as struggle, fighting from within a society that has formally submitted to Conciliar Rome, which +Archbishop Lefebvre condemned without compromise. It places the society and the sacraments above the Faith itself, corrupting principle into betrayal. What may feel like prudence or fulfilling one’s obligation is in reality moral compromise.

Every Mass attended in this society trains souls to accept conciliar errors, silently aligning the faithful with Modernism. Even if the compromise is gradual, principle is timeless: submission is never excusable. Bishop Williamson in his clear days confirmed that those attending the Neo-SSPX risk losing the fight for the Faith. Attendance gives the illusion of opposing Modernism while actually cooperating with it. It endangers the spiritual battle and undermines the mission of true Resistance.

The reasons are exhaustive:

  • *Formal submission to Conciliar Rome – participation legitimizes a system that is anti-Catholic.
  • *Condemned “fight from within” – what +Lefebvre forbade.
  • *Placing the society and sacraments above the Faith – a direct inversion of moral order.
  • *Corruption of principle into prudence or betrayal – what feels right can be spiritually disastrous.
  • *Exposure to Modernist influence – even silent compromise shapes the faithful toward error.
  • *Endangerment of the spiritual battle – leads to losing the fight for the Faith.
  • *False sense of Resistance – attendance masquerades as opposition but is cooperation.
  • *Erosion over time – submission is betrayal regardless of speed or generations.


By the grace of God, true Resistance grows. Many will never stop fighting, holding the Faith above all.

You have picked the wrong side in this war.





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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 01:16:15 AM »
A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real...

The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.

As one of the faithful attending Mass at the SSPX I am not necessarily being silent, nor am I submitting in any way whatsoever to error. I am in a good position to alert priests and faithful to the change in direction, of which many are still unaware, with the ensuing dangers. It is not betraying anyone or anything. If I did not fulfill my Sunday obligation, however, I know beyond any doubt that for me, I would be betraying Our Lord and committing a mortal sin. 

Barring a miracle, it seems likely that the SSPX will continue to slide into the arms of Conciliar Rome and that the silence of the Neo-SSPX could result in the greater number of SSPX Trads becoming modernist. But if this happens, how long will it take? It has certainly not happened in 13 years and to claim such would be a monstrous exaggeration. Will it take a few generations yet? Would all these souls be better off becoming home-aloners now? There is danger no matter what you do. It is important to know yourself and to know the fight for the Faith that we are engaged in, and to take into account the particular circuмstances that you and those dependent upon you find yourselves in. 

Certainly, encourage souls to attend and support the Resistance, which is necessary to preserve the Faith as you rightly say. Certainly enlighten them to the new direction of the Neo-SSPX placing them on the slippery slide of liberalism. But stop pontificating when it comes to forbidding the faithful to attend truly Catholic sacraments. That was never the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, nor is it Catholic.

 
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
« Last post by Dominique on Yesterday at 12:27:23 AM »
You are right to note that Archbishop Lefebvre showed pastoral patience in the early days of the New Mass for confused faithful. That, however, was never a license to compromise principle. He never sanctioned obedience to the system of Vatican II, registration with Rome, or public acceptance of conciliar authority.

The Neo-SSPX, by contrast, is a formal submission. Signing the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration and publicly registering with Conciliar Rome is not prudential weakness. It is cooperation in the destruction of the Faith. As +Archbishop Lefebvre declared:

“A priest who enters into this system, who accepts it, collaborates with the destruction of the Faith.” (Conference, Paris, 1981)

A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real.

Even Bishop Williamson, in his clear days before contradiction, warned that those who attend the Neo-SSPX will lose the fight:


This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.

The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
Indeed!
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Art and Literature for Catholics / coin/shroud image of Our Lord
« Last post by Mark 79 on Yesterday at 12:18:23 AM »
https://archive.is/e8rju  Interesting, but "most debated"???

Ancient coin with 'real face' of Jesus 'proves' that Christianity's most debated issue is TRUE
Published: 14:58 EDT, 23 August 2025 | Updated: 15:07 EDT, 23 August 2025


An ancient coin etched with the face of Jesus could challenge the long-held belief that the Shroud of Turin is a medieval fake.
Carbon dating in 1988 placed the Shroud between 1260 and 1390 AD, seemingly ruling it out as Christ's burial cloth. Some researchers, however, have argued that the tested samples were merely taken from sections of the cloth that had been repaired during that period.
Now, a bronze follis minted in Constantinople between AD 969 and 976 bears a striking resemblance to the Shroud's facial image.
Justin Robinson, historian at The London Mint Office, notes that the coin's tiny one-centimeter portrait astonishingly reproduces a distinctive 'cross' shape formed by the eyebrows, forehead and nose, nearly identical to the features seen on the Shroud.
'In my opinion, the obvious similarities between the coin and the face on the Shroud of Turin show what the engravers saw in Constantinople [where the Shroud was displayed] in the tenth century,' Robinson, who purchased the coin in 2018, told the Daily Mail.
'If coin engravers were copying the face on the Shroud in the tenth century, then it stands to reason that the Shroud cannot be a late medieval fake,' Robinson said.
The coin was minted in Constantinople between AD 969 and 976, bears a striking resemblance to the Shroud's facial image+4
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The coin was minted in Constantinople between AD 969 and 976, bears a striking resemblance to the Shroud's facial image
Historians highlighted the cross at the center of the face on the coin, suggesting it is nearly identical to what is seen on the Shroud+4
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Historians highlighted the cross at the center of the face on the coin, suggesting it is nearly identical to what is seen on the Shroud



Michael Kowalski, a leading expert on the Shroud of Turin, told the Daily Mail: 'The coin contains a portrait of Jesus with some distinctive features that seem to have been copied directly from the Shroud, including two long locks of hair on the left side of the head.
'I find it particularly hard to understand why the engraver would create an image with hair longer on one side unless he had copied what was believed to be a true likeness of Jesus.'
The coin also carries inscriptions emphasizing its sacred significance: around the face reads 'God with us,' while the reverse proclaims 'Jesus Christ, King of Kings.'
Robinson further noted that the image contains a distinctive mark on the right cheek, a small square beneath the moustache, and a forked beard, with long hair hanging down on both sides and two parallel strands at the bottom left, details that strongly echo the Shroud.

'All of these features can be seen clearly in the image on the Shroud, and the result is a coin that resembles the Shroud far too closely to be dismissed as a coincidence,' Robinson said.

Jesus' face on the coin also features a forked beard, matching the Shroud, but what has surprised historians most is the two distinct strands of hair running parallel on the left side of both artifacts.
High-resolution photographs of the Shroud reveal these strands hanging down from the forehead or temple area, part of the long hair framing Jesus' face and extending to the shoulders in a clearly defined pattern.
There is also a distinctive horizontal band across the throat that corresponds with a similar band on the Shroud.
High-resolution photographs of the Shroud reveal these strands hanging down from the forehead or temple area, part of the long hair framing Jesus' face and extending to the shoulders in a clearly defined pattern+4
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High-resolution photographs of the Shroud reveal these strands hanging down from the forehead or temple area, part of the long hair framing Jesus' face and extending to the shoulders in a clearly defined pattern
The coin itself carries inscriptions emphasizing its sacred significance: around the face reads 'God with us,' while the reverse (pictured) proclaims 'Jesus Christ, King of Kings.'+4
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The coin itself carries inscriptions emphasizing its sacred significance: around the face reads 'God with us,' while the reverse (pictured) proclaims 'Jesus Christ, King of Kings.'
'I find this compelling evidence that the coin engravers in Constantinople carefully copied the face,' Robinson said.
'Having so recently arrived in Constantinople, the emperor would have been keen for the true image of Christ to appear on the coins of the empire. Such specific features would have been nearly impossible to invent without direct reference to a preexisting image.'
The historian highlighted flaws in the Shroud's carbon dating, saying that 'the sample tested in 1988 had been taken from the corner of the Shroud that had been the subject of a medieval repair to strengthen the cloth.'
'The corner of the Shroud was often held by priests for hours during public displays, exposing the cloth to centuries of handling, sweat, and wear. In addition, scientists note that fire can distort carbon-14 results, and the Shroud was badly damaged in a blaze in 1532,' continued Robinson.



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Art and Literature for Catholics / Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
« Last post by Pax Vobis on August 23, 2025, 11:48:50 PM »
The church has never defined the details of Genesis' and Our Lady's triumph.  But we know from Fatima that Her triumph is not completed, because she said "in the end...".  So it hasn't fully happened yet.  So showing Our Lady step on a snake during Our Lord's passion, makes no sense either theologically or story-telling wise.  Were protty's happy at that scene?  Yes, because they are uneducated heretics.  We can all agree on that.
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Crisis in the Church / Re: neoSSPX as Judas Goat
« Last post by Incredulous on August 23, 2025, 11:10:33 PM »
Incredulous, it’s already bad enough. Don’t make it worse by mockery.

My dear Lady Seraphina, 

If you sense mockery, I can assure you, it’s from the newChurch posturing as if it is Catholic and the SSPX play acting as if pope Bob is legitimate.
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