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Catholic Living in the Modern World / Re: Bad news for Cassini
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Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:46:06 PMHistorical hypotheticals do not excuse present submission. The Neo-SSPX has publicly aligned itself with Conciliar Rome. Attending it is cooperation in error, not prudence, and objectively endangers the fight for the Faith.
If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...
The Second Vatican Council was from 1962-25. The Society of St Pius X was erected in 1970.
What the Neo-SSPX has done in making deals with modernist Rome is gravely imprudent and will most likely have dire consequences, some of which we are seeing already with the acceptance of doubtful sacraments, including doubtful priests.
But that does not translate into sin or a danger to the Faith for everyone who attends good Catholic SSPX Masses as you want to insist. Such rigidity and lack of pastoral prudence endangers souls in my opinion.
I am not opposed to souls taking the decision that it is best for them or their family not to attend the SSPX, but I am opposed to the view that it must be given the red light for all. I have no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre would have been of the same mind, as was Bishop Williamson.
You have already picked the wrong side in this war.The only side I have picked is the Resistance. Your logic is faulty!
This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...
Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PMQuote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PM
Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.
As one of the faithful attending Mass at the SSPX I am not necessarily being silent, nor am I submitting in any way whatsoever to error. I am in a good position to alert priests and faithful to the change in direction, of which many are still unaware, with the ensuing dangers. It is not betraying anyone or anything. If I did not fulfill my Sunday obligation, however, I know beyond any doubt that for me, I would be betraying Our Lord and committing a mortal sin.
Barring a miracle, it seems likely that the SSPX will continue to slide into the arms of Conciliar Rome and that the silence of the Neo-SSPX could result in the greater number of SSPX Trads becoming modernist. But if this happens, how long will it take? It has certainly not happened in 13 years and to claim such would be a monstrous exaggeration. Will it take a few generations yet? Would all these souls be better off becoming home-aloners now? There is danger no matter what you do. It is important to know yourself and to know the fight for the Faith that we are engaged in, and to take into account the particular circuмstances that you and those dependent upon you find yourselves in.
Certainly, encourage souls to attend and support the Resistance, which is necessary to preserve the Faith as you rightly say. Certainly enlighten them to the new direction of the Neo-SSPX placing them on the slippery slide of liberalism. But stop pontificating when it comes to forbidding the faithful to attend truly Catholic sacraments. That was never the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, nor is it Catholic.
A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real...Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.
The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
You are right to note that Archbishop Lefebvre showed pastoral patience in the early days of the New Mass for confused faithful. That, however, was never a license to compromise principle. He never sanctioned obedience to the system of Vatican II, registration with Rome, or public acceptance of conciliar authority.Indeed!
The Neo-SSPX, by contrast, is a formal submission. Signing the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration and publicly registering with Conciliar Rome is not prudential weakness. It is cooperation in the destruction of the Faith. As +Archbishop Lefebvre declared:
“A priest who enters into this system, who accepts it, collaborates with the destruction of the Faith.” (Conference, Paris, 1981)
A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real.
Even Bishop Williamson, in his clear days before contradiction, warned that those who attend the Neo-SSPX will lose the fight:
This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.
The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
Incredulous, it’s already bad enough. Don’t make it worse by mockery.