This is cope, getting married in the novus ordo church does not mean you stop believing whatever heresies you believe. Your very logic the Church has condemned.

Syllabus of Errors:
17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. —Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

Here's the point.  If a person is already baptized, then they are already part of the Church (whether they accept this fact or not).  Baptized persons are under jurisdiction of the pope.  All that is necessary for salvation, for a baptized person (i.e. in danger of death), is to
a.  believe basic truths about the Faith
b.  submit to the Church.
c.  die in the state of grace/perfect act of contrition.

These are the same conditions that would save (theoretically) a catechumen.  But Kirk was baptized, which makes it easier for him.

Is the above possible?  Yes.  Can we say he was a FORMAL member of the Church?  No.  
In pre-V2 times, would Kirk be considered a FORMAL catholic?  Doesn't seem so.
But it's not out of the question that he could be saved.  This has nothing to do with BOD, since he was already baptized.

It's instinct that whenever I hear of someone's death - even if I never knew or never heard of the person - I say an eternal rest and/or Lord have mercy on him.  It has nothing to do with "emotional people" and everything to do with hope that somehow, whoever they are, they made it - and it takes all of about 5 or 10 seconds. It's what Catholics do, or at least used to do before V2.

Doing this does not deny, reject, or in some way dilute or belittle the dogma EENS.       

 

That is a bad instinct to have, it is contrary to Catholic teaching.

There is no peace to the wicked, saith the Lord.
[Isaias (Isaiah) 48:22]
There is no peace to the wicked, saith the Lord God.
[Isaias (Isaiah) 57:21]
For evil men have no hope of things to come, and the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.
[Proverbs 24:20]

No body is denies Catholic truth is 'good' properly speaking but wicked as they live as an enemy of God in the state of mortal sin.

Praying for the damned only increases their suffering. The Popes quoted earlier also refute your claim, so you either obey the Church or you don't.

It has nothing to do with "emotional people" and everything to do with hope that somehow, whoever they are, they made it -

This is contradictory. This hope you speak of is EMOTIONAL, and also condemned in the syllabus of errors. There is no hope for those who die outside the church.

Syllabus of Errors:

17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. —Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

You're correct but...the point being that a baptized/heretic is in a DIFFERENT category than a 100%, non-catholic.  We know a hindu/muslim/joo isn't a catholic.  Even if they attend sunday mass every sunday, for a year straight.  But with a baptized protestant, who is attending mass, it's different.

A hindu/muslim/joo would have to go through formal catechumen training, have a public baptism, etc.  Their "joining the Faith" is public and known.

A baptized protestant who is going to mass could very easily, and quietly "join the Faith" because they don't have to have formal catechumen training (they are already baptized).  Yes, they would have formal training for Holy Eucharist and Confession, but these aren't required for salvation (strictly speaking). 

A baptized protestant could convert in a few seconds.  A hindu/muslim/joo could not.  It's different. 

You need to reinforce your Catholic beliefs with theze quotes 

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 22), June 29, 1943.
Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. 

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull "Cantate Domino," 1441, ex cathedra: “It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all thinking opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.”

2Corinthians 4:3-4

And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

There is only one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved (Pope Innocent III, 1215).

We declare, say, define and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff (Pope Boniface VIII, 1302).

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.– But the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity... Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity. “But it is necessary for eternal salvation that he faithfully believe also in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ...the Son of God is God and man...– This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”

"If anyone in word and mind does not properly and truly confess, according to the Holy Fathers, all, even to the last portion, that which has been handed down and preached in the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God . . . let him be anathema." - Pope St. Martin I

 

Pope Pius IX, Vatican I, Sess. 3, Chap. 3, 1870, on Faith: 

Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed which are contained in the written word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the Church, either in a solemn pronouncement or in her ordinary and universal teaching power, to be believed as divinely revealed.

But, since "without faith it is impossible to please God" [Heb 11:6] and to attain to the fellowship of His sons, hence, no one is justified without it; nor will anyone attain eternal life except "he shall persevere unto the end on it" [Mt 10:22; 24:13].

Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. V, 1546: “…our Catholic faith, without which it is impossible to please God [Heb. 11:6]…”

 

Sess. VI, Canon II: “If anyone shall say that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may more easily be able to live justly and merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he were able to do both, though with difficulty and hardship: let him be anathema” (Denz. 812).

 

Syllabus of Errors:

17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. —Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

Pope Benedict XIV, cuм Religiosi (# 4), June 26, 1754: “See to it that every minister performs carefully the measures laid down by the holy Council of Trent… that confessors should perform this part of their duty whenever anyone stands at their tribunal who does not know what he must by necessity of means know to be saved…”

Pope St. Pius X, Acerbo Nimis (# 2), April 15, 1905: “And so Our Predecessor, Benedict XIV, had just cause to write: ‘We declare that a great number of those who are condemned to eternal punishment suffer that everlasting calamity because of ignorance of those mysteries of faith which must be known and believed in order to be numbered among the elect.’”

Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “Now we consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. Surely, in so clear a matter, you will drive this deadly error far from the people committed to your care. With the admonition of the apostle, that ‘there is one God, one faith, one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5), may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk. 11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate (Athanasian Creed).

Pope Gregory XVI: “Therefore, they must instruct them in the true worship of God, which is unique to the Catholic religion.” (Summo Iugiter Studio # 6, May 27, 1832)

Pope Leo XIII (1902): “By his (Christopher Columbus’) toil another world emerged from the unsearched bosom of the ocean: hundreds of thousands of mortals have, from a state of blindness been raised to the common level of the human race, reclaimed from savagery to gentleness and humanity; and, greatest of all, by the acquisition of those blessings of which Jesus Christ is the author, they have been recalled from destruction to eternal life.” (Encyclical, Quarto Abrupto)

Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (# 14):

“It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members… by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism… This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church.”

St. Alphonsus Liguori, Sermons (c. +1760): “How many are born among the pagans, among the Jєωs, among the Mohammedans and heretics, and all are lost.”

 

"... these modern incredulous: and if ever someone had remained blinded by their sophisms, that he open his eyes to recognise the truth of our Holy Faith, absent which there isn't hope of salvation."

 

Preparation For Death: “How thankful we ought to be to Jesus Christ for the gift of faith! What would have become of us if we had been born in Asia, Africa, America, or in the midst of heretics and schismatics? He who does not believe is lost. This, then, was the first and greatest grace bestowed on us: our calling to the true faith. O Savior of the world, what would become of us if Thou hadst not enlightened us? We would have been like our fathers of old, who adored animals and blocks of stone and wood: and thus we would have all perished.”

 

St. Francis Xavier, Dec. 31, 1543: “There is now in these parts [of India] a very large number of persons who have only one reason for not becoming Christians, and that is that there is no one to make them Christians. It often comes into my mind to go round all the Universities of Europe, and especially that of Paris, crying out everywhere like a madman, and saying to all the learned men there whose learning is so much greater than their charity, ‘Ah! What a multitude of souls is through your fault shut out of heaven and falling into hell!’…

 

St. John Vianney: "Christians who are damned will suffer torments infinitely more rigorous than the infidels. The reason is that these strangers will be damned because they never heard talking about Jesus Christ and his religion; that they lived and died in ignorance."

 

St. Robert Bellarmine: "...no one is justified without faith in Christ."

 

St. Augustine (+428): “… God foreknew that if they had lived and the gospel had been preached to them, they would have heard it without belief.”

 

St. Thomas Aquinas, Sent. III, 25, Q. 2, A. 2, solute. 2: “If a man should have no one to instruct him, God will show him, unless he culpably wishes to remain where he is.”

Pope Pelagius I, Vas electionis: "That I may define by profession my faith, attached below, in which, by God's grace, it may be manifestly clear that I follow in the footsteps of the correct doctrine of the Apostles and Fathers[..]I confess that all men from Adam, even to the consummation of the world, having been born and having died with Adam himself and his wife, who were not born of other parents, but were created, the one from the earth, the other, however, from the rib of the man will then rise again and stand before the Judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he has done, whether it be good or bad; and indeed by the very bountiful grace of God he will present the just, as vessels of mercy prepared beforehand for glory, with the rewards of eternal life; namely, they will live without end in the society of the angels without any fear now of their own fall; the wicked, however, remaining by choice of their own with vessels of wrath fit for destruction, who either did not know the way of the Lord, or knowing it left it when seized by various transgressions, He will give over by a very just judgment to the punishment of eternal and inextinguishable fire, that they may burn without end. This, then, is my faith and hope, which is in me by the gift of the mercy of God, in defence of which blessed Peter taught that we ought to be especially ready to answer everyone who asks us for an accounting[..]But whosoever will hold, believe, or preach otherwise, him the holy and universal Church of God anathematizes."

Pope Benedict XIV, Apostolica (# 6), June 26, 1749: “The Church’s judgment is preferable to that of a Doctor renowned for his holiness and teaching.”

Errors of the Jansenists, #30: “When anyone finds a doctrine clearly established in Augustine, he can absolutely hold it and teach it, disregarding any bull of the pope.”- Condemned by Pope Alexander VIII

Pope Pius XII, Humani generis (# 21), Aug. 12, 1950: “This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church.’”

St. John Chrysostom:

“Lest anyone say ‘What about those who do not believe in Jesus Christ’ listen to what Jesus says:

‘I know mine and mine know me’.”

-John 10:14

What denying this doctrine leads to:

Abp. Lefebvre, Sermon at first Mass of a newly ordained priest (Geneva: 1976): “We are Catholics; we affirm our faith in the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ; we affirm our faith in the divinity of the Holy Catholic Church; we think that Jesus Christ is the sole way, the sole truth, the sole life, and that one cannot be saved outside Our Lord Jesus Christ and consequently outside His Mystical Spouse, the Holy Catholic Church. No doubt, the graces of God are distributed outside the Catholic Church, but those who are saved, even outside the Catholic Church, are saved by the Catholic Church, by Our Lord Jesus Christ, even if they do not know it, even if they are unaware of it...”

Pope Clement V, The Council of Vienne, 1311-1312: “Besides, only one baptism regenerating all who are baptized in Christ must be faithfully confessed by all just as ‘one God and one faith’ [Eph. 4:5], which celebrated in water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we believe to be the perfect remedy for salvation for both adults and children.”

Pope Clement V, The Council of Vienne, 1311-1312: “But since one is the universal Church, of regulars and seculars, of prelates and subjects, of exempt and non-exempt, outside of which absolutely (omnino) no one (nullus) is saved, one is the Lord, one is the Faith and one is the baptism of all.”

Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter 105, May 22, 452: “… giving thanks to the Merciful and Almighty God that He has suffered none save those who loved darkness rather than light to be defrauded of the gospel-truth.”

Fr. Francisco de Vitoria, O.P., a famous 16th century Dominican theologian, 

“When we postulate invincible ignorance on the subject of baptism or of the Christian faith, it does not follow that a person can be saved without baptism or the Christian faith. For the aborigines to whom no preaching of the faith or Christian religion has come will be damned for mortal sins or for idolatry, but not for the sin of unbelief. As St. Thomas says, however, if they do what in them lies [in their power], accompanied by a good life according to the law of nature, it is consistent with God’s providence that he will illuminate them regarding the name of Christ.

Pope St. Siricius (A.D. 385): “… we also say that to infants who will not yet be able to speak on account of their age or to those who in any necessity will need the holy stream of baptism, we wish succor to be brought with all celerity, lest it should tend to the perdition of our souls if the saving font be denied to those desiring it and every single one of them exiting this world lose both the Kingdom and life. Whoever should fall into the peril of shipwreck, the incursion of an enemy, the uncertainty of a siege or the desperation of any bodily sickness, and should beg to be relieved by the unique help of faith, let them obtain the rewards of the much sought-after regeneration in the same moment of time in which they beg for it. Let the previous error in this matter be enough; [but] now let all priests maintain the aforesaid rule, who do not want to be torn from the solidity of the apostolic rock upon which Christ constructed His universal Church.” (Decree to Himerius on the Necessity of Baptism)

Second Council Of Constantinople, Sess. 3, AD 553: “… the holy, catholic and apostolic church of God, if anyone separates himself from its communion by holding contrary opinions, such a person, since he alienates himself from the orthodox faith and numbers himself with the heretics, is justly condemned and anathematized by the holy Church of God.”

No, this makes no difference whatsoever ... in terms of what we need to say and to profess, nor even for Confucius.  You do realize, right?, that Confucius died hundreds of years before Christ, where Baptism hadn't even been mandatory.

Nor does this make any differnece for the 95% of Trads who claim that infidels (non-baptized) can be saved.

Nor does this matter, since the point of the citation is to say that the Church does not require equivocations of "maybe, perhaps, it's presumed that ..." they are lost.

I can find for you a statement by one of the Popes regarding some Protestant heretics (also cited by the Dimonds in that video) where he states very clearly that "we KNOW [some Prot heretics] were eternally lost".  Not "presume" or "think" or "consider it most likely".

Similarly, I KNOW that the priests ordained by Archibshop Lefebvre were valid, not just "presume" or "think" or "consider it most likely" or "hope against hope that they are".

There's no need for equivocation.

We can and, given the modern spirit of religious indifferentism, must affirm without any qualification that:  Charlie Kirk is lost.  Charlie Kirk was not saved, since Charlie Kirk died outside the faith.  Church constantly makes unqualified statements based on moral certainty and presumption.  IF wrong, nobody is punished for being wrong, since we can only judge the external forum.  Church does not have "conditional funerals" where they offer everything conditionally for some departed Prot or even a ѕυιcιdє.

I do find it ironic, too, that the SVs are most hostile to EENS, and yet they never tire of citing St. Robert Bellarmine regarding manifest heresy, that the Church and Catholics judge, quite simply, based on the external forum, that such and such is a heretic (without Church authority to confirm it) ... and they denounce the R&R types who engage in the equivocations of "well, it's posisble that Wojtyla was not a FORMAL heretic, since maybe he didn't really mean it."  So the SVs rightly denounc that kind of equivocation, but then denounce those of us who refuse to engage in that exact same equivocation where we simply make unqualified statements based on the facts know in the external forum.

Lad I have a question regarding formal heresy. If wojtyla sincerely believed that the things he believed was actually taught by the church would that make him a formal heretic or material heretic?

If formal then what does that imply for everyone that believes that the Church teaches that there is salvation outside the church by the church or Salvation in the state of ignorance even if she doesn't actually teach that like Archbishop Lefebvre believed?

Not according to the quotes by the Popes the Dimonds have provided. I ought to believe the Popes than rather emotional people who want to feel good about praying for deceased non-Catholics.

When reading a sermon by St Alphonsus, he mentioned one case where a funeral mass was going to be said for a dead Catholic, but that Catholic appeared to his friend during the night and told him not to pray for him as it would only increase his suffering in hell.

It's instinct that whenever I hear of someone's death - even if I never knew or never heard of the person - I say an eternal rest and/or Lord have mercy on him.  It has nothing to do with "emotional people" and everything to do with hope that somehow, whoever they are, they made it - and it takes all of about 5 or 10 seconds. It's what Catholics do, or at least used to do before V2. 

Doing this does not deny, reject, or in some way dilute or belittle the dogma EENS.