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StrivingCatholic needs to talk to a traditional priest about his marriage situation before coming to any conclusions.

Besides the Pauline Privilege exception. There are other situations that might be relevant.

For example, if the woman StrivingCatholic married was previously divorced (from a prior, valid civil marriage between her and another man), then StrivingCatholic's civil marriage to such a divorced woman would not have been valid in the eyes of the Church.
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Reputations of Eastern Orthodoxy
« Last post by Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 01:02:44 PM »
No, but thank you for asking.  I know that is a common reason for people leaving the Church.  Also, thank you to everyone else.  I picked up a copy of the Fortescue book as well as one by Erick Ybarra (a novus ordite but he is a scholar on the Greek Schism) called "The Papacy."  I already pray the 15 decades but of course will continue to do so.  Prayer and study. 
As Matthew said before, pretend the Eastern Schismatics don't exist. The ones on the internet who spread their heresy are worse than pagans for leading so many souls to profane the sacraments.
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The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Saint of the day
« Last post by Miseremini on Yesterday at 12:13:30 PM »

 Feast of St. George
St. George, of an illustrious family, having reproached Diocletaian for his cruelty, was subjectted therefore to atrocious torments and was finally beheaded in 304. He is venerated as the patron of Christian soldiers, and is the Patron of England.

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Yes, i'm not suggesting a layman can make any decisions related to canon law.  I'm suggesting (and i've known examples) where Trad priests investigated the matter and the person converted to the Faith and was "re-married" to a Trad.  But the priest made the call.
I'm not sure whether a Trad priest would have the authority to do so. It's the question of whether supplied jurisdiction extends to governance. If we granted that, a trad bishop could have the power to excommunicate, which no one admits.
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ugh...this is so...disappointing... first I was slammed by things that contradicts with what I have learnt and thought I knew...then to find out the Church is so divided and I cannot trust anything... and now this part about my past marriage...:'(
Don't lose hope. It's only another trial. All is worth it for an eternity with the infinite God. I have to say, I'm baffled by this recent development. Something just doesn't seem right. Surely there's some resolution in this current crisis in the church. Perhaps some sort of supplied jurisdiction for the case of this marriage to be judged if the authority of the apostates in Rome can't be trusted. 

Read up on Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, his letters, speeches, sermons, and also Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer. It's incredible they persevered against the Pope and their colleagues, but they knew they were thoroughly backed by the truth of Tradition. 

God has brought you this far, even to this forum, don't stop now.

"But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"
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If I remember correctly, it can be handled at the diocesan level, however, again, one cannot just decide this for himself, UNLESS we can find that it is explicitly allowed to do so. So, a Canon Law commentary on these canons should clearly state that a layman can, when lacking a priest or bishop with ordinary jurisdiction or a marriage tribunal, presume his non-sacramental marriage dissolved.

I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case. Why? Because the marriage has to be dissolved, that's an act that has to take place, so, it's not that the marriage automatically dissolves once someone converts and would like the issue to go away, but it has to be dissolved by a competent authority, which is not present.
Yes, i'm not suggesting a layman can make any decisions related to canon law.  I'm suggesting (and i've known examples) where Trad priests investigated the matter and the person converted to the Faith and was "re-married" to a Trad.  But the priest made the call.
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The issue is, if both he and his first wife were unbaptized, then their marriage was civil/natural only.

If he becomes baptized and joins the Church, he could marry *again* (technically it wouldn't be a second marriage, but be his first SACRAMENTAL marriage) to a practicing catholic.  This assumes the original spouse does not want to join the Faith.

A civil/natural marriage can be "upgraded" to a sacrament in this specific circuмstance, as St Paul explains.  Since the purpose of marriage is to get to heaven, a civil/natural marriage in which a spouse is hostile to the Faith can be "dissolved" (not sure if that's the correct word) so that a sacramental union can take place.

Would this need the approval of a marriage tribunal?  A catholic marriage tribunal wouldn't waste their time on non-sacramental marriages, as it's clear in Canon Law that these aren't catholic marriages.  I've heard these cases handled by Trad priests many times.  A parish priest may have the power to decide, but I'm unsure.
If I remember correctly, it can be handled at the diocesan level, however, again, one cannot just decide this for himself, UNLESS we can find that it is explicitly allowed to do so. So, a Canon Law commentary on these canons should clearly state that a layman can, when lacking a priest or bishop with ordinary jurisdiction or a marriage tribunal, presume his non-sacramental marriage dissolved.

I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case. Why? Because the marriage has to be dissolved, that's an act that has to take place, so, it's not that the marriage automatically dissolves once someone converts and would like the issue to go away, but it has to be dissolved by a competent authority, which is not present.

In any case, StrivingCatholic should first come to terms with the Great Apostasy, the question of the Pope, the New Mass, etc. otherwise we're putting the cart before the horse.


 
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