Also, +Lefebvre's position isn't that of God either, as it's well known that he vacillated somewhat, especially on issues like this.

In addition, the Mr. Stark episode took place during at time when +Lefebvre had swung to the left, was trying to reach a +Fellay-ite practical agreement with Rome, begging them to let him make the "experiment of Tradition" within the Conciliar pantheon.  He went left on quite a few issues in the early 1980s.  But then by 1985 or so, he swung back to the other direction.

After about the mid-1980s until several years into the +Fellay era, I have not heard of a single priest who was allowed to work with SSPX who had not received conditional ordination.  There were a couple suspects, but then when someone did a bit of digging, aka asked Bishop Williamson, in every case I know of +Williamson affirmed that a conditional had been performed.  I don't know of any cases where the presider REFUSED it either, but then much of that happened behind closed doors we'll never know, and we can't prove a negative.  HAD some priest refused in, say, the late 1980s through about the year 2000, I'm certain that the SSPX would have just said, thanks but no thanks, and go find somewhere else to exercise your ministry ... if for no other reason than they didn't want to deal with backlash from the faithful.

Bishop Williamson, for instance, felt the NO Rites were valid, but he nevertheless believed the faithful could not-unreasonably come to a different conclusion and that the had a right to be at peace about the validity of the Sacraments.  In other words, he did not have the hubris to impose his conclusion on the consciences of others like neo-SSPX are doing todya.

Was there not a case of two brothers, both ordained in the new rite, who joined the SSPX sometime in the 1980s?  Both were offered conditional ordination by  +ABL one accepted and the other refused.

I’ve been told by a priest that gelatin used for medication, like capsules, liquid, or chewable does not break abstinence or fast including Eucharistic fast if taking it cannot be delayed. In these cases, it is a vehicle to convey medication to the body, not a food or drink. Nobody eats a Z-pack of Zithromycin, drinks Mucinex, or eats omeprazole gel tabs for GERD!
 

THIS ^^^ 

^^Same here!^^ Still praying!  My sister got a promotion to road test coordinator at her driving school. The strange thing is that she has worked for this school with a breaks for two years of college and two years of having babies in some capacity since she was 18. Her college was totally useless and she flunked out just before the end of her second (of four) years. She was supposedly majoring in business management, but in reality, majored in socializing!  She only went because our parents thought a college degree was a guarantee to “a steady, well-paying job.” They forced her to go and ended up repaying the loan.
Parents! If your child isn’t interested in college, do not force the matter! It’s no longer 1985!  
She went to a “Catholic” school and it was more liberal and the students partied harder and crazier than at my state school. 

This excerpt comes from the Instructions of Nubius, a 19th-century Carbonari directive outlining strategies to influence the clergy and ultimately the Papacy. It is closely related to, but distinct from, the Alta Vendita, the supreme lodge’s broader plan for infiltrating the Church:

“Cause the German to become ridiculous and odious even before his foreseen entry. With the idea of the Pontifical supremacy, mix always the old memories of the wars of the priesthood and the Empire. Awaken the smoldering passions of the Guelphs and the Ghibellines, and thus you will obtain for yourselves the reputation of good Catholics and pure patriots.

"That reputation will open the way for our doctrines to pass to the bosoms of the young clergy, and go even to the depths of convents. In a few years the young clergy will have, by the force of events, invaded all the functions. They will govern, administer, and judge. They will form the council of the Sovereign. They will be called upon to choose the Pontiff who will reign; and that Pontiff, like the greater part of his contemporaries, will be necessarily imbued with the Italian and humanitarian principles which we are about to put in circulation. It is a little grain of mustard which we place in the earth, but the sun of justice will develop it even to be a great power, and you will see one day what a rich harvest that little seed will produce.“

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That 1871 letter is utter nonsense. "Nαzιsm" and "Fascism" weren't even around then and, if you still believe the letter to be true, then you either believe that Pike was some sort of Nostradamus or, if not, then you believe he planned EVERYTHING to set up both "Fascism" and "Nαzιsm" way before the founders of those movements were even born. And where is the original copy of such a letter? Has anyone ever seen it?

I'm sick of hearing this BS claiming that Pike wrote about Fascism and Nazιsm in 1871. There are ENOUGH damning original historical docuмents proving sinister agendas and cօռspιʀαcιҽs that people don't have go out of their way to make them up. The 1976 Rosenthal Docuмent is another example of a docuмent that only exists through hearsay. Again, where is the orginal docuмent?

There are enough GENUINE docuмents by Jews which prove their sinister agendas and intentions ("Germany Must Perish" and "You Gentiles" are two good examples) that to bring up crap like Pike writing about Nαzιsm and Fascism in 1871 (at a time before either of the leaders of both of those movements were even born! Did Pike get Hitler's and Mussolini's mothers pregnant or was it one of his Illuminati agents who did in order to start both movements? :laugh1:See how STUPID it is to believe Pike wrote about Fascism and nαzιsm in 1871? ) is utterly absurd.

Bottom Line: Stick to ACTUAL docuмents and not BS ones that exist only through hearsay.