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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Yeti on Today at 10:17:39 AM »
My understanding of the "smoke of Satan" speech is that it was crocodile tears over the destruction of the Church since Vatican 2. This speech gave Novus Ordo conservatives the basis to say, "See? Paul VI wasn't all that bad. He regretted what happened in the Church after Vatican 2. This proves that he wasn't really the problem to begin with; it was the liberals who took Vatican 2 too far that were the problem."

I even had someone say that to me once, that this speech proves that Paul VI wasn't really the destroyer, and that he was against the destruction.
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 10:13:25 AM »
That's 1976.  +Lefebvre wasn't even on their radar in 1972.
You may be right, but I kind of doubt it. He was on their radar throughout the council. Maybe not on the world's radar, but likely the Pope's.
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Ladislaus on Today at 09:43:00 AM »
He clearly speaks against Lefebrve in this Allocution:

Antipope Paul VI, Allocution to the Consistory of May 24, 1976 – Novus Ordo Watch

That's 1976.  +Lefebvre wasn't even on their radar in 1972.
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by 2Vermont on Today at 09:10:39 AM »
He clearly speaks against Lefebrve in this Allocution:

Antipope Paul VI, Allocution to the Consistory of May 24, 1976 – Novus Ordo Watch
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Ladislaus on Today at 08:50:15 AM »
I agree that this was what it was.  I do think that most people just don't realize it.  I know I didn't for a long time.

I don't think so.  SSPX was almost nothing in 1972, and posed no threat whatsoever.  I think people are imposing in hindsight what the SSPX later became onto that time period.  There were little enclaves of Traditional Catholicism all over the world, and this was viewed as one of them.

By 1972, the seminaries and convents were emptying out, Montini sat at his desk approving one request for laicization of priests after another ... and the devastation of V2 was unfolding.

I agree with the NO Watch take above.  Montini's intent was to spin the obvious devastation as the "smoke of Satan" ... rather than admitting that V2 was at fault, although that had in fact been his intention, so what was presented on the surface as a lament was really his exulting in the fact that he had gotten Satan into the Church.
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: A final prayer request
« Last post by Änσnymσus on Today at 08:29:27 AM »
:pray:
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by 2Vermont on Today at 08:26:19 AM »
Folks, for crying out loud. When are you gonna grasp this. Montini was referring to Lefebrve as being the smoke. He wasn't lamenting the BS that he implemented. He was chastising those that weren't getting with the program.
I agree that this was what it was.  I do think that most people just don't realize it.  I know I didn't for a long time.
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Ladislaus on Today at 08:05:37 AM »
I wonder if it was satanic mockery, i.e they were the smoke of satan clearly telling us what they are doing and if we don't stand up then we want it.

I believe that's exactly what it was.  On the surface, it could have been taken as his lamenting Satan's intrusion into the Church, whereas he may very well have been exulting in it.
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