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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Giovanni Berto on Today at 09:26:27 PM »
Related to the subject:

https://novusordowatch.org/2021/01/paul-vi-and-the-smoke-of-satan/


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Paul VI and the “Smoke of Satan”
January 26, 2021

Guess who was stoking the flames!
Paul VI and the “Smoke of Satan”
On June 29, 1972, for the Feast of Ss. Peter and Paul, the fake pope Paul VI (Abp. Giovanni Battista Montini) uttered what are perhaps the most well-known and most frequently quoted words of his false pontificate. He said that “through some crack the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God” (da qualche fessura entrato il fumo di Satana nel tempio di Dio).
Some time ago Vatican News made the audio clip available in which Montini can be heard uttering these words. It can be found on this page (it’s the seventh clip from the top). The entire homily was never transcribed verbatim. Even the Vatican’s Osservatore Romano newspaper published only a summary with select quotations of the words that were spoken. The Vatican web site has put that summary online, but only in Italian. An official English translation has never been released, but an inofficial one has been published at the Novus Ordo Catholic Stand web site.
The question, of course, is whether Paul VI was truly lamenting that the smoke of Satan had entered the sanctuary, or whether he was perhaps boasting. After all, by 1972 the devastation of the Catholic vineyard was quite visible, and it was he himself who had single-handedly caused it.
To illustrate the absurdity of Paul VI’s most famous “lamentation”, we have produced the following cartoon, which we encourage people to download and share as widely as possible (click on image and a larger version will open up in a separate tab or window – right-click that larger version to download):
Montini’s predecessor of inglorious memory, “Pope” John XXIII (Cardinal Angelo Roncalli), had done his part by “opening the windows” at the Second Vatican Council. But nothing has stoked the flames that have been producing the smoke of Satan more than the “New Order of Mass” (Novus Ordo Missae) Paul VI had imposed in 1969, and which his false church still uses to this day.
Naturally, both John XXIII and Paul VI are canonized “saints” in the Vatican II Church, and the latter has an entire audience hall in the Vatican dedicated to him that will give you the creeps.
By the way: In case you haven’t yet, we encourage you to meet Paul VI’s biggest fan.
Image sources: composite with elements from shutterstock.com and Wikimedia Commons / NOW cartoon
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And for a laugh:

https://novusordowatch.org/2017/11/francis-outlaws-sale-cigarettes-vatican/


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Francis outlaws Sale of Cigarettes in Vatican City
November 9, 2017

Smoke of Satan still permitted…
Francis outlaws Sale of Cigarettes in Vatican City
Francis has once again shown his iron “papal” fist: In a fearless move against the powers of darkness, the “Pope” has now outlawed the sale of cigarettes throughout every square inch of the 0.17 sq mi of Vatican City State, effective Jan. 1, 2018.
In a Nov. 9 statement released by the Unholy See’s Press Office, spokesman Greg Burke explained the move on the grounds that “the Holy See cannot contribute to an activity that clearly damages the health of people”, according to a report published by Crux.
Rome Reports issued the following brief video summary:
We must point out that, curiously enough, what is banned in the Vatican as of 2018 is not the sale of all tobacco products but only that of cigarettes: “The sale of large cigars though will continue,” press secretary Burke added and provided a Clintonesque justification: “since the smoke is not inhaled”.
Got it! Perhaps by moving from smoking cigarettes to smoking cigars, nationals of Vatican City can show that they are now ready to take “a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility, on the way toward recovering an awareness that not everything is allowed and that one cannot do whatever one wants”, as “Pope” Benedict XVI might put it.
To be clear: It is certainly not wrong to ban tobacco sales in Vatican City. The Pope — a true Pope — certainly has the authority and the right to do so if he deems it a prudent move. That’s not the issue. The issue is that once again Francis is worried about anything except that which he ought to worry about, given his claim to being the Pope of the Catholic Church.
When during the canonization proceedings for Pope Pius X (d. 1914) in the early 1950s, the advocatus diaboli (devil’s advocate) objected to the holiness of Giuseppe Sarto on the grounds that he had been a smoker, the cardinals in attendance reportedly laughed out loud (some of them quite possibly with cigarettes in hand).
One must ask: Where is that much-touted “mercy” for those addicted to the smoking of cigarettes? What about the concrete circuмstances of their situation? What if those didn’t allow them to act differently? What about the complexity of their limits? What if they don’t understand the inherent values of the rule? And now they’re being pigeonholed or fit into overly rigid classifications leaving no room for a suitable personal and pastoral discernment!
Alas, the usual buzzwords of discernment, accompaniment, integration, and all the rest are apparently not applicable to the smoking of cigarettes, only to the practice of serious moral evils such as adultery, which poses no threat to the body but causes instant death for sanctifying grace in the soul, not for one but for two people. It looks like we’ll be waiting for an exhortation entitled Fumandi Laetitia for eons to come.
No word yet, by the way, on whether “the smoke of Satan” (words of “Pope” Paul VI in 1972) has been banned from the Vatican — but judging by external indicators, inhaling it seems to be mandatory at this point.
Image source: Shutterstock (Riccardo De Luca – Update; cropped)
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 08:59:11 PM »
I wonder if a member of the SSPX was present in 1972 with a recorder. You'd think they would have released such a recording long ago.
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If I forgot it was Friday and had ham for breakfast did I commit a sin?

To expand on this, was the sin (if committed) mortal or venial? 
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Giovanni Berto on Today at 08:53:05 PM »
I have made a quick search for the  smoke of Satan phrase in Italian and I could find nothing but the paraphrases.

There is not, apparently, a full transcript of the homily. Kind of strange, considering how (in)famous this quote became.
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General Discussion / Re: Introduce yourself!
« Last post by AMDGJMJ on Today at 08:49:28 PM »
Hello everyone,

I've recently found Catholicism and within the last few months it feels as if I've been drinking from a fire hose. I fell pretty hard for it as soon as I opened myself up to it. I was never anti-Catholic at all, and I guess you could say I was LARP'ing as a protestant before, desperately trying to feel anything amid the guitar solos and unserious nature of the worship. My girlfriend grew up in a Catholic family but was never baptized and is agnostic so I'm trying to pull her over currently.

Anyway, I had my first experience of the Latin Mass last night and was blown away by the reverence and solemnity of the worship. It was everything I thought it should be. Even in my naivety, it always made more sense that everyone was turned toward Christ and not facing one another.

That's it. I also like fried chicken.
I laughed a lot at the fried chicken.  :popcorn:

Welcome!  We are here for you if you have any questions. :cowboy:
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General Discussion / Re: Introduce yourself!
« Last post by AMDGJMJ on Today at 08:48:35 PM »
Good morning everyone, I'm new to the forum. I am a Catholic revert and recently discovered tradition within the last year which was even further solidified when I attended an SSPX Ignatian retreat in March. I'm married with three young children. My wife is also a practicing Catholic but has not yet embraced tradition as I have. I would like to hear from any others that are in a similar situation with their spouse and how they have handled it.
Gently explain to her what you just wrote to us...

And pray for her.

It may take her a bit for her to come over (especially if she has a lot of friends in the novus ordo) but hopefully that will happen sooner rather than later.

Maybe you can invite some traditional Catholic families in your area over for dinner?

It helps most women if they have someone they can connect with to make the jump. 
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I quoted the CCC to show that even the new church has something right.  This idea that you cannot commit mortal sins if you are ignorant is not logical. It's like that meme of the Eskimo who says why did you tell me about God if I am condemned? Why bother educating people about sin if their ignorance keeps them from mortal sin. It also appears contrary to scripture, St Paul says drunkards will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet most people do not know that drunkenness is a sin, surely these people will be condemned for their drunkenness and their ignorance won't change that?


If I forgot it was Friday and had ham for breakfast did I commit a sin? 
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by PAT317 on Today at 08:26:43 PM »
I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.

Is this the paraphrased summary you are referring to?  And by translation, do you mean if you click on the "English" option on the page?

https://tinyurl.com/smoke-sermon
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Last post by Änσnymσus on Today at 08:12:48 PM »
For the anonymous who quoted "the new CCC":

This is not a real Catholic catechism. This is the Novus Ordo catechism. People won't take your arguments seriously if you quote Modernist books, and you take a serious risk of learning some grave errors by reading this horrible books.

Be aware of Modernism.
I quoted the CCC to show that even the new church has something right.  This idea that you cannot commit mortal sins if you are ignorant is not logical. It's like that meme of the Eskimo who says why did you tell me about God if I am condemned? Why bother educating people about sin if their ignorance keeps them from mortal sin. It also appears contrary to scripture, St Paul says drunkards will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet most people do not know that drunkenness is a sin, surely these people will be condemned for their drunkenness and their ignorance won't change that?
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 08:02:24 PM »
I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.
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