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It was the people's fault, the bishops, even the Popes, but officially not the Church's.
:furtive:
Exactly who is "the Church" then? 
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How do you know it is not the authority of the Church when the authorities insist it is? How can you ignore what you are not sure of? Dividing comes from arguing, posting videos, promoting articles that are disparaging and otherwise getting snarky about what the Church does (that is legit). We have an opportunity to humble ourselves before God and request unity, tradition and every other good thing by personally eliminating sin in our own lives, praying the rosary for the Consecration, and otherwise accepting the peace God offers at all times, WITHOUT accepting modernism.  We can still come out against false ideas, ideologies and nonsense. This is a balancing act of epic proportions but it can be done!  
Happenby, do you believe that all of the Novus Ordo hierarchy are legitimate Catholic authority?  
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Novus Odo mole Poche is seriously discrediting himself (and the N.O. handlers to whom I and other C.I. members assume he is subject) by defending his position by making ridiculous claims that he himself must know are not true, that is to say: deliberate lies.


No, but Jesus, Mary, and Joseph broke immigration law when they fled into Egypt.

Really?   What "immigration law", exactly?

•  One of the most important features of (the) Pax Romana was the freedom of travel it allowed within the Roman Empire.
•  Both Judæa and Egypt qualified for that freedom, because they were unquestionably within the Roman Empire at the time of the Christ.
•  Syria (loosely defined back then as the land around Antioch) was conquered by General Pompey "the Great" (Gnaeus Pompēius) during 66--62 B.C.
•  Jerusalem was captured by Pompey, as crucial to Roman control of Judæa, in 64 B.C.
•  The government of Syria and those of other Roman-controlled lands in S.W. Asia were reorganized by Pompey, also during 66--62 B.C.
•  That reorganization included 5 lands being placed into the hands of local rulers as client kingdoms: Cappadocia, Galatia, Lycia, eastern Pontus (all 4 being in Anatolia), and Judæa (in Syria).
•  The client ruler of Judæa remained subject to the Roman governor (lit. "praeside") of Syria, e.g., Cyrinus for the census of Lk. 2:1--2.
•  Egypt came under control of Rome after Cleopatra, the last of Egypt's Ptolemaic line of rulers, committed suicide in 30 B.C. (that year included the suicide of Marc Anthony and the arrival of Octavian, whose victory at Actium had stimulated those suicides).


They didn't ask permission.

More nonsense!

"Permission" from whom and for what, exactly?  See "Pax Romana" (above).


They were wanted 'criminals'.

And still more nonsense!

The Gospels make no claim that anyone was declared "criminal" nor "wanted".  What, exactly, would the Holy Family's "criminal" offense have been?

•  The Gospels provide very little information for this episode: The Holy Family's flight to, and return from, Egypt, appears only as a single chapter by Matthew; none of the other Evangelists even hint at it.
•  Herod could not identify "he who is born king of the Jews" (Mt. 2:2), altho' he was eager to discover the infant--or maybe toddler.
•  Luke, with his report instead of travel to Jerusalem for circumcision and purification, at best complicates the traditional chronology.

Your unsupported claims above deserve to be dismissed by readers as a really blatant deliberate fabrication with no basis in the Gospels nor tradition.  It's so blatant that readers should feel freed to speculate unflatteringly on your motives for posting.
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How do you know it is the Authority of the Church? How can you ignore what you are not sure of?  We the laity, have no means to further divide or put together the Church's Authority, we respect it and obey it when we can find it.
How do you know it is not the authority of the Church when the authorities insist it is? How can you ignore what you are not sure of? Dividing comes from arguing, posting videos, promoting articles that are disparaging and otherwise getting snarky about what the Church does (that is legit). We have an opportunity to humble ourselves before God and request unity, tradition and every other good thing by personally eliminating sin in our own lives, praying the rosary for the Consecration, and otherwise accepting the peace God offers at all times, WITHOUT accepting modernism.  We can still come out against false ideas, ideologies and nonsense. This is a balancing act of epic proportions but it can be done!   
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Yea, I don't remember what +Williamson said, all I remember is hearing about Fr. Pfeiffer's meltdown calling it phony.  It seemed at the time that FP was right, which was an odd possibility.  Guess its easier for the NO to bring the Real Presence than for FP to be right.  ;D
Here is the Bishop Williamson's EC thread that discusses this matter:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/eleison-comments-cdxxxvi-(436)-nov-22-2015-a-d/msg478707/#msg478707
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No, but I think that quote references the attempt to draw support away from them, by feigning the appearance of a turning away from the ralliement which the SSPX hoped to convey by sticking Fr. de Jorna back in as French District Superior.
Thank you. I have been praying for those Dominicans that they would remain firm.
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"Let all the earth be moved at his presence: for he hath founded the world immoveable."
 [1 Paralipomenon (1 Chronicles) 16:30]

"Adore ye the Lord in his holy court. Let all the earth be moved at his presence."
 [Psalms 95:9]

"A psalm for David himself. The Lord hath reigned, let the people be angry: he that sitteth on the cherubims: let the earth be moved."
 [Psalms 98:1]

"With breaking shall the earth be broken, with crushing shall the earth be crushed, with trembling shall the earth be moved."
 [Isaias (Isaiah) 24:19]

"They have not known nor understood: they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth shall be moved."
 [Psalms 81:5]

"For this I will trouble the heaven: and the earth shall be moved out of her place, for the indignation of the Lord of hosts, and for the day of his fierce wrath."
 [Isaias (Isaiah) 13:13]

"And the Lord shall roar out of Sion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem: and the heavens and the earth shall be moved, and the Lord shall be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel."
 [Joel 3:16]

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Sorry, every time I try to clean this up, it gets worse.
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Here are the results you get when you search the Douay-Rheims Bible for "earth be moved".
You can do the search yourself with this link:

http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=earth+be+moved&b=drb

I would like somebody to tell me how the word "rotating" or "orbiting" makes any sense in any of these verses.  
Yet, you Geocentrists tell me that "earth shall not be moved" means the earth is not rotating and not orbiting the Sun.

Whereas the word "shaken" or "trembling" makes a lot of sense in these verses.  
Why is there any mention of "foundations" when talking about the earth?  And "pillars"?  

The Bible is so unscientific and like a caveman, when it comes to astronomy,
yet you CathInfo people cling to Geocentrism, like a drowning man clings to a life-saver.  Why?  

Because all science is EVIL.  Gravity is EVIL.  NASA is EVIL.  Heliocentrists are EVIL.  
And, the Church fathers were great scientists, nearly infallible and they believed in Geocentrism.

Yes, I know, you are not going to change.  








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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: Nazi Ideology
« Last post by JPaul on Today at 03:22:00 PM »
They are all still a contradiction to the Catholic Faith.
So is conciliarism, yet that does not bother you. Most of its teaching has been the object of condemnation by the true Church but you are not here defending the Catholic faith against the interloper.  
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