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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Reputations of Eastern Orthodoxy
« Last post by ihsv on Today at 01:28:55 PM »
After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the Patriarchs of that city have lived in complete subjugation to their Turkish overlords, even to this day.  The Patriarchates of Alexandria and Antioch shared a similar fate.  Moscow was made a patriarchate by Constantinople in 1589, was suppressed under Tsar Peter the Great in 1721, being replaced by "The Holy Synod" (under complete government control), and later resurrected in 1917 in time for the communist revolution.

None of them have any missionary spirit, since under the Turks they were forbidden to evangelize.  That only seems to have changed now, not because the Greeks are worthy of attention, but because of the catastrophe of the current crisis.   In other words, the Novus Ordo church is so bad, it makes the Greeks look good.  No one would seriously consider the Orthodox as a viable option in 1950.  The main reason people are struggling with it now is because they don't believe the words of Christ: "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall never prevail against it." 
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If I remember correctly, I think the actual 'computing capacity' is no more than 1 jpeg's worth of data.  From billions of miles away.  Who is sitting there monitoring it, waiting for that single jpeg to come in?  What will a jpeg tell us - that it's cold out there?
What is 1 jpeg's worth of data? I have a jpeg on my computer that is 29.5MB. 29.5MB can equate to 10-15min of high quality music, or 40-60min of medium quality speech audio. That's several floppy disks worth of information. Why don't you look up what they are trying to record? I know you won't believe them, but it's more credible than speculation.

On a related subject this is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/apr/23/voyager-1-transmitting-data-again-after-nasa-remotely-fixes-46-year-old-probe so you're telling me a 70s computer billions of miles away is able to receive a signal on an ancient medium (that somehow is still working) in 22hrs with no obstructions? No meteors, flares, planets etc obstruct the signal there and back? Come on
70's computers still work. Maybe it's the beefy simple design that aids their durability. I can't comment on the durability of tapes though, but I don't know why they couldn't send a command for it to rewrite it's programming to correct for corruption. They likely built the components to be more durable knowing it was going into space. You can actually buy circuit board components rated for use in space. I think they are gold plated to shield from radiation. It is hard to believe it can still receive signals from that far away with old tech, and that signals from it can be heard all the way here, but maybe the new tech we have is capable of sending a strong enough signal, and capable of detecting such faint signals from it. I don't know, I don't work there and neither do you, so I won't say what is and isn't possible. Once upon a time touch screen smartphones were a certain impossibility.
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Funny Stuff for Catholics / Re: Unfunny Stuff
« Last post by Miseremini on Today at 01:10:26 PM »
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Funny Stuff for Catholics / Re: Unfunny Stuff
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Funny Stuff for Catholics / Re: Unfunny Stuff
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Health and Nutrition / Re: Wine Recommendations
« Last post by Bonaventure on Today at 01:04:40 PM »
Now... my recommendations of U.S. reds... most of which are in the $20/bottle price range.

I'll start off with one I recently discovered.

Steele Zinfandel ~$20  This is a great full-bodied Zinfandel.


The Federalist Honest Red Blend ~$17


Substance "CS" Cabernet Sauvignon ~$15


Bogle Pinot Noir ~$10  Great all-around pinot.


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If I remember correctly, I think the actual 'computing capacity' is no more than 1 jpeg's worth of data.  From billions of miles away.  Who is sitting there monitoring it, waiting for that single jpeg to come in?  What will a jpeg tell us - that it's cold out there? 
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Crisis in the Church / Re: St Teresa de Avila
« Last post by BOTHY on Today at 10:58:03 AM »
Was the priest on the radio Novus Ordo?

St. Teresa was NOT a converso unlike her paternal grandfather. She lived and died a Roman Catholic. She ticked off a lot of people because of her reforms, and because of this she was subject to The Inquisition. She died before their investigation was completed. As they say, you can look it up. Maybe the priest on the radio bought into this crapola:


A Nun With A Jєωιѕн Touch - New York Jєωιѕн Week (jta.org)
that link doesn't work.......this does:

https://tinyurl.com/dskz2nx7  
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Crisis in the Church / Re: St Teresa de Avila
« Last post by BOTHY on Today at 10:34:53 AM »
Hello everyone. Today I heard a priest on the radio briefly mention that St Teresa of Avila left the Catholic Church towards the end of her life. Has anyone heard about this? I know she was a Jєωιѕн converso and that her writings may have had cabala mysticism influence, which the Spanish Inquisition looked into. Thanks.
Was the priest on the radio Novus Ordo?

St. Teresa was NOT a converso unlike her paternal grandfather. She lived and died a Roman Catholic. She ticked off a lot of people because of her reforms, and because of this she was subject to The Inquisition. She died before their investigation was completed. As they say, you can look it up. Maybe the priest on the radio bought into this crapola:


A Nun With A Jєωιѕн Touch - New York Jєωιѕн Week (jta.org)
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Reputations of Eastern Orthodoxy
« Last post by SimpleMan on Today at 10:26:36 AM »
Constantinople's claim to be a patriarchate was a journey in itself.  In culminated in the passage of canon 28 at the Council of Chalcedon (which almost entirely consisted of eastern bishops), which placed Constantinople over all the other patriarchates except Rome.  Canon 28 is the linchpin to their claims of being all that and a bag of chips, and came about because of the growing ambition of Constantinople.  It was the center of the empire, and they figured they had a right to consolidate and appropriate power.  What they will never tell you, however, is that the papal representatives at the council objected to Canon 28, it was passed in the middle of the night when the papal representatives weren't present, and Pope Leo the Great nullified that canon "by the authority of blessed Peter". 

Read the acts of the council of Chalcedon itself, as well as the letters of Leo the Great to Emperor Marcian, Empress Pulcharia, Patriarch Anatolius, and John of Cos.  It paints a vivid picture of what really happened.

Letter 132, which is a letter of Anatolius (Patriarch of Constantinople) to Leo, is pure gold.  In it, Anatolius acknowledges Pope Leo's right to approve or disapprove any part of the council, he protests that his great desire is to "obey" Leo in all things, and he accedes to Leo's commands to correct two unjust administrative changes involving two individuals at the local level in Constantinople (the restoration of a Catholic who unjustly lost his job, and the dismissal of a heretic who had been protected by Anatolius). 

The end result is that Canon 28 pretty much disappeared for the next several centuries, being resurrected by Photius and, to a greater extent, by Michael Cerularius in the 11th century.  Michael was worse than Photius, in that it was his actions that were responsible for the more permanent separation of Rome and Constantinople. 

It's important to note that, while Constantinople dropped Canon 28 after Leo nullified it, they continued to behave as if it was in force. 

The Greeks returned to the Faith and submission to Rome twice after Cerularius.  Once at the second council of Lyons (1274), and the other at the Council of Florence (1439). Florence was the biggest, and it had amazing results. The last two emperors of the Byzantine empire (John VIII Palaiologos and Constantine XI Palaiologos) died as Catholics in submission to the Pope, and the entire reason they went into schism again after the Council of Florence is because of the Turks.  Mehmet the II took Constantinople on Pentecost in 1453, and installed a new patriarch (while the Catholic Patriarch was in Rome) named Gennadius Scholarius, who was the most anti-Catholic bishop he could find.  Scholarius was a protege of Mark of Ephesus, who was the only bishop in the east who refused to sign the docuмents of the Council of Florence.  Mark went back to Constantinople after the council and caused all sorts of trouble, stirring the people up against the reunion.

Gennadius Scholarius, on being chosen as the new Patriarch, processed through the streets of Constantinople and received the symbols of his new office directly from the hands of Mehmet II, an Ottoman Turk.  This scene is immortalized in a number of Greek icons.

Why anyone would look at the claims of Orthodoxy seriously is beyond me.

And there are some Orthodox who want to take it one step further, and proclaim Moscow to be the "Third Rome", in that Constantinople doesn't really exist anymore as a center of Orthodoxy (the Ottoman Turks took care of that).

Constantinople is almost what we Latins would call a "titular see".
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