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The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Marulus Fidelis on Today at 12:02:35 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 11:54:52 AM

Yes, i'm not suggesting a layman can make any decisions related to canon law. I'm suggesting (and i've known examples) where Trad priests investigated the matter and the person converted to the Faith and was "re-married" to a Trad. But the priest made the call.

I'm not sure whether a Trad priest would have the authority to do so. It's the question of whether supplied jurisdiction extends to governance. If we granted that, a trad bishop could have the power to excommunicate, which no one admits.

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by St Giles on Today at 12:01:28 PM »

Quote from: StrivingCatholic on Today at 08:13:21 AM

ugh...this is so...disappointing... first I was slammed by things that contradicts with what I have learnt and thought I knew...then to find out the Church is so divided and I cannot trust anything... and now this part about my past marriage...

Don't lose hope. It's only another trial. All is worth it for an eternity with the infinite God. I have to say, I'm baffled by this recent development. Something just doesn't seem right. Surely there's some resolution in this current crisis in the church. Perhaps some sort of supplied jurisdiction for the case of this marriage to be judged if the authority of the apostates in Rome can't be trusted.

Read up on Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, his letters, speeches, sermons, and also Bishop Antonio de Castro Meyer. It's incredible they persevered against the Pope and their colleagues, but they knew they were thoroughly backed by the truth of Tradition.

God has brought you this far, even to this forum, don't stop now.

"But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Pax Vobis on Today at 11:54:52 AM »

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If I remember correctly, it can be handled at the diocesan level, however, again, one cannot just decide this for himself, UNLESS we can find that it is explicitly allowed to do so. So, a Canon Law commentary on these canons should clearly state that a layman can, when lacking a priest or bishop with ordinary jurisdiction or a marriage tribunal, presume his non-sacramental marriage dissolved.

I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case. Why? Because the marriage has to be dissolved, that's an act that has to take place, so, it's not that the marriage automatically dissolves once someone converts and would like the issue to go away, but it has to be dissolved by a competent authority, which is not present.

Yes, i'm not suggesting a layman can make any decisions related to canon law. I'm suggesting (and i've known examples) where Trad priests investigated the matter and the person converted to the Faith and was "re-married" to a Trad. But the priest made the call.

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Marulus Fidelis on Today at 11:44:00 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 11:24:10 AM

The issue is, if both he and his first wife were unbaptized, then their marriage was civil/natural only.

If he becomes baptized and joins the Church, he could marry *again* (technically it wouldn't be a second marriage, but be his first SACRAMENTAL marriage) to a practicing catholic. This assumes the original spouse does not want to join the Faith.

A civil/natural marriage can be "upgraded" to a sacrament in this specific circuмstance, as St Paul explains. Since the purpose of marriage is to get to heaven, a civil/natural marriage in which a spouse is hostile to the Faith can be "dissolved" (not sure if that's the correct word) so that a sacramental union can take place.

Would this need the approval of a marriage tribunal? A catholic marriage tribunal wouldn't waste their time on non-sacramental marriages, as it's clear in Canon Law that these aren't catholic marriages. I've heard these cases handled by Trad priests many times. A parish priest may have the power to decide, but I'm unsure.

If I remember correctly, it can be handled at the diocesan level, however, again, one cannot just decide this for himself, UNLESS we can find that it is explicitly allowed to do so. So, a Canon Law commentary on these canons should clearly state that a layman can, when lacking a priest or bishop with ordinary jurisdiction or a marriage tribunal, presume his non-sacramental marriage dissolved.

I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case. Why? Because the marriage has to be dissolved, that's an act that has to take place, so, it's not that the marriage automatically dissolves once someone converts and would like the issue to go away, but it has to be dissolved by a competent authority, which is not present.

In any case, StrivingCatholic should first come to terms with the Great Apostasy, the question of the Pope, the New Mass, etc. otherwise we're putting the cart before the horse.

Health and Nutrition / Re: Wine Recommendations

« Last post by Bonaventure on Today at 11:27:27 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos on Yesterday at 10:52:51 PM

Let's say $5 to $50.

I'm somewhat particular to red wines. And more specifically, Chilean wines. So this post will be exclusively Chilean wines (I'll make another post on U.S. wines).

In that price range, here is what I'd recommend trying:

Casillero del Diablo by Concha y Toro ~$10. This is a good all-around wine, but it should be breathed. Upon proper breathing, this $10/bottle wine turns into a $20/bottle wine. Also, not only is Concha y Toro the largest vineyard in Chile, it's the 3rd largest in the world, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find this in wine shops. I'm particular to their Carmenere.

Primus The Blend ~$15 A Chilean Bordeaux Blend.

Cousiño-Macul Antiguas Reservas ~$20

LaPostolle ~$20 - $75 Very unique vineyard in that the none of their wine goes through any pumps in that the building is built into the side of a hill wherein the grapes are brought to the top, and the entire process uses gravity to go from vat to bottling.

Perez Cruz ~$20 This is a smaller vineyard located about 45 minutes outside of Santiago, Chile. I've never had a bad bottle from Perez Cruz.

Marques de Casa Concha ~20 One of my personal favorites, primarily because it is easily found in a lot of wine shops. Also, the main vineyard is located on the outskirts of Santiago, Chile.

BTW, I've toured/visited the vineyards where each of the above wines are made.

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Pax Vobis on Today at 11:24:10 AM »

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The matter is dealt with in the 1917 Code of Canon law in Chapter 10, Article 1. However, it seems evident that one cannot just dissolve his own marriage without a competent authority, which is currently unavailable, and would thus not apply to the present situation.

The issue is, if both he and his first wife were unbaptized, then their marriage was civil/natural only.

If he becomes baptized and joins the Church, he could marry *again* (technically it wouldn't be a second marriage, but be his first SACRAMENTAL marriage) to a practicing catholic. This assumes the original spouse does not want to join the Faith.

A civil/natural marriage can be "upgraded" to a sacrament in this specific circuмstance, as St Paul explains. Since the purpose of marriage is to get to heaven, a civil/natural marriage in which a spouse is hostile to the Faith can be "dissolved" (not sure if that's the correct word) so that a sacramental union can take place.

Would this need the approval of a marriage tribunal? A catholic marriage tribunal wouldn't waste their time on non-sacramental marriages, as it's clear in Canon Law that these aren't catholic marriages. I've heard these cases handled by Trad priests many times. A parish priest may have the power to decide, but I'm unsure.

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by TheRealMcCoy on Today at 10:48:15 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 10:12:58 AM

Isn't there the Pauline/Petrine privelege for marriage, where if a person converts to the Faith and his unbaptized spouse won't convert, they can remarry a Catholic and receive the full sacrament? It's a rare case, but it may apply to this thread.

Lay people can't apply the Pauline/Petrine privilege to their own situation. Only a Tribunal or the Rota can issue an declaration. And there is no traditional authority to do so. The OP must separate from the new "wife".

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Marulus Fidelis on Today at 10:35:39 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 10:12:58 AM

Isn't there the Pauline/Petrine privelege for marriage, where if a person converts to the Faith and his unbaptized spouse won't convert, they can remarry a Catholic and receive the full sacrament? It's a rare case, but it may apply to this thread.

The matter is dealt with in the 1917 Code of Canon law in Chapter 10, Article 1. However, it seems evident that one cannot just dissolve his own marriage without a competent authority, which is currently unavailable, and would thus not apply to the present situation.

Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: ‘Sister Lucy’ Was Not the Real Fatima Seer

« Last post by Twice dyed on Today at 10:33:34 AM »

2017 / 2018
https://fsspx.news/en/news/interview-bishop-bernard-fellay-fatima-centenary-church-crisis-18544

...Maike Hickson:What is, in your own view, the reason for the continued hesitancy of those people in the Church who could disclose, for the greater good, much more information? What do they still have to fear or to lose? Would such a disclosure not be an act of mercy toward the suffering Church in this deep crisis?

+Fellay: " I remember that Sr. Lucy, in an interview with a cardinal from India in the mid-1990s, was very afraid that the Pope would publish the Secret. She said, if she were to give the Holy Father advice, she would caution great prudence. If, for instance, the text contained something like the coming of the Antichrist or something else quite serious that would cast grave doubt on the authority of the Church, it could be a reason the same authorities are hesitant to publish this. I don’t pretend these examples are the case; I am simply speculating as to what some possible reasons might be for not releasing it. "

Never heard of this before, but just one more example of what the "Fake sister Lucy" would spout. We all know that BVMary/ Sister Lucia wanted the secret opened by 1960 !!!

P.S. Did the newSociety say that the Fatima Apparitions were private??? Oh yeah, just greatest miracle witnessed by 70,000 souls. !! ● • ● ○
Talk about the letter of the law that killeth.
BTW we are the Church M ilitant! Pray!

The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling

« Last post by Pax Vobis on Today at 10:12:58 AM »

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Hate to be the one to break it to you, but your civil marriage was valid since you were both non-Catholics. Thus to live with this other woman, however nice she is, would be adultery.

Isn't there the Pauline/Petrine privelege for marriage, where if a person converts to the Faith and his unbaptized spouse won't convert, they can remarry a Catholic and receive the full sacrament? It's a rare case, but it may apply to this thread.

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