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General Discussion / Re: An apology
« Last post by sedevacantist on Today at 05:12:22 PM »
I take offense to the term "fans", when it should be stated as fellow Catholics.  You are implicating, Catholics as groupies, which is wrong.  There are no contradictions with their writings.  You should be apologizing to the Brothers themselves, you publicly bore false witness against them, which is a mortal sin.

You demonstrate a lot of pride and hatred inside you.  

I will also say that anyone telling the truth and is being attacked, they should be defended vigorously.  Otherwise evil triumphs, while people stand around and do nothing.
The reason I'm in the habit of referring to their followers as "Fans" is because they tend to believe everything the Dimonds tell them - without questioning - no matter how convoluted it is. This is an attitude indicative of a "fan", and not simply another Catholic. 
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Throughout the 1700 years of the Church's anti-Pythagorean battle against the heresies attributed to Pythagoras, whether he invented them or not, not once WAS THE GLOBAL EARTH ONE OF THE CONDEMNED. Indeed there was never mentioned the notion that the Scriptures depict or insists on a FLAT-EARTH. That had to be because it did not exist ever as a fact of Scripture.

But now we have a growing number of Catholics who are insisting the Scriptures do reveal a FLAT-EARTH, and calling any who disagree as bad Catholics to say the least, as anyone can check by reading their posts on this and other forums. This [IMPLIES] that all the Fathers and popes and theologians who never defended their FLAT-EARTH were FAILING IN THEIR CATHOLIC DUTY TO DEFEND THE TRUTHS OF SCRIPTURE.
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Hope you don't mind the one correction.
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There is one account of the discovery Pythagoras made in his right triangle equation, that when he discovered the relation c2 = a2 + b2, he was so exuberant and elated that he threw a block party that lasted a whole week.
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One could say he was aware his discovery would have enduring value.
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And there is no hint of him having excluded flat-earthers!
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Those were the days, I guess.
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Once a Catholic, always a Catholic is Once saved, always saved?  Its protestant lies.  A man can become Catholic and thereafter loose his soul.
Do equate Catholic with saved? You seem to be implying that Catholic is saved in a similar way to protestants. I don't think anyone here believes that to be Catholic is to be saved. The Catholic St Paul told his Catholic brethren "Work out your salvation is fear and trembling." He didn't believe that to be Catholic is to be saved.
The saying is true in the sense that Baptism cannot be undone. It a permanent mark on our souls. That mark cannot be erased. I am sure that there are many Catholics who are not saved and who are confined to hell for eternity. They are still Catholics - all the worse for them.
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General Discussion / Re: An apology
« Last post by sedevacantist on Today at 05:08:40 PM »
This part I'm confused about. What are you guessing came from Brother Peter?
The scathing emails that I received from the Dimonds seemed to me to have come from Brother Peter. My source insured me that it was him. 
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General Discussion / Re: An apology
« Last post by sedevacantist on Today at 05:03:04 PM »
I am not a fan of calling those who agree on the Dogmatic issues that the Dimonds defend...fans. I believe they are Catholic. I am not a fanatic for them. I don't even know them, but since we can only judge someone by what we know, I appreciate their work defending the Faith.

I think your apology seemed weird and a bit passive-aggressive. It seems like a dig at those who agree with them on these different issues as well.

My opinion. Let me know if I'm wrong.
I'm just used to referring to their followers as "fans"... I don't mean to offend. I'll be more careful.
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Catholic Living in the Modern World / Re: Please help
« Last post by Luke3 on Today at 05:03:02 PM »
I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will
not keep us from sinning. While turning away from the Lord makes it easier
for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any
of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise.

Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree.

God bless
"I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will not keep us from sinning." 

Reply:  No, St. Paul, is clearly stating the punishments for faithlessness, sins of the flesh i.e. masturbation, the worship of man. 

"While turning away from the Lord makes it easier for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise."

Reply:  Just to clarify, when you turn away from God, the devil rushes right in, its a vacuum.  Everyone is not punished with same sex aversions, that is why other vices are stated.  But at the same time you just denied what Romans clearly has stated.  Wow.

Romans 1:29-31 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

"Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree."

Reply:  What are you referring to, regarding a Pope?
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Do you have a problem with the information provided in the O.P.? If so, can you specify what it is?
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What I have a problem with is flat-earthers who claim it's "Church teaching," which is false, or it's "heresy" to say otherwise.
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The OP is just more of the same rotten attitude like it's somehow respectable to deny the facts we see all around us.
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Do you want a list again?
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Sedevacantist quote from reply #35  "And yes, doctrines are vitally important. And I do agree with them [the Brothers] on doctrinal matters, with the exception of the Birth Control issue, which they are clearly in heresy about."

You condemn NFP [?], and at the same time, you say the Brothers are in heresy concerning NFP?  Explain this one!?
Did you actually read the OP? It's hard for me to believe it. You're mutilating everything I said. This is ridiculous.
I never once condemned the Dimonds for rejecting NFP. I totally agree with them on this issue.

The "Rhythm Method" is not NFP. This method, known as "Continence" during the reign of Pius XI was approved by the Catholic Church, as he clearly stated:
Pius XI, Casti Connubii (# 53), Dec. 31, 1930: “And now, Venerable Brethren, we shall explain in detail the evils opposed to each of the benefits of matrimony. First consideration is due to the offspring, which many have the boldness to call the disagreeable burden of matrimony and which they say is to be carefully avoided by married people not through VIRTUOUS CONTINENCE (WHICH CHRISTIAN LAW PERMITS WHEN BOTH PARTIES CONSENT) but by frustrating the marriage act.”

This is what the Dimonds reject - "Continence". 

Their position, that ALL forms of birth control are forbidden, was condemned under anathema as early as the Council of Trent:
Council of Trent, Session 24, Dogmatic Canon VIII:"If any one saith, that the Church errs, in that she declares that, for many causes, a separation may take place between husband and wife, in regard of bed, or in regard of cohabitation, for a determinate or for an indeterminate period; let him be anathema."
 
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No one excommunicated anyone.  This isn't a private club.  We've been honest, apologized when wrong, exchanged barb for barb, been patient, brought information, and got kicked around and called stupid.  Pulling a woe-is-me on flat earthers isn't going to work.  Everyone watching knows better.  Dry your tears and carry on.  Because, if what you're saying is true, flat earth is anathema.  And you wouldn't want to let us off the hook, right?
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You've been honest but you refuse to measure the angle between the sun and quarter moon?
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Better watch out your keyboard might short out from teardrops!   ;)
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You're most welcome "off the hook" when you free yourself from the hook of flat-earth fantasy.
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The truth will set you free.
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Apparently   The   C H U R C H  of   F L A T - E A R T H I S M     got your attention!  Maybe it's attractive? Eh?
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Blasphemy: the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk

Flat-earthism: that the Scriptures reveal a flat-earth and that it is the true Catholic meaning of Scripturer.

Flat-earth blasphemy: This occurs by way of INFERING the churchmen, Fathers and popes since the founding of Christianity failed to protect the true meaning of Scripture, even when condemning the multitude of 'Pythagorean' heresies right up to the time of Copernicus, Bruno, Kepler, and Galileo.

 Having read a new book Pythagoras Bruno Galileo by Professor A.A. Martinez, now out of print, we now have the best book ever written on the 'Pythagorean' heresies and the Church's fight against them from the very beginning.

It seems Pythagoras (570BC-495) left not a single written word behind him. That said, many Greek philosophers accredited to him a multitude of things. It is written that he invented heliocentrism, multy worlds, the earth is a star, moving bodies have souls etc, including that he was the first to insist the EARTH IS A SPHERE.

From roughly 150AD to 430AD the early Church Fathers critised  and denounced many Pythagorean notions as false or heretical. A global earth was not among them. Tjhe Fathers  Hippolytus, Chrysosom, Jerome and Augustine formulated the core texts and judgements that were echoed much later by Catholic theologians, but a global earth was not among them. By then Pythagoras had been elivated to a living God just like Jesus. The number of heresies multuplied from this and it seems to me Lucifer had taken the role of Pythagoras. That is how serious the Devil was attacking the Church.
It was Copernicus who started Pythagoreanism all over again. Bruno was the one who adopted many of his 'cosmic' heresies and was seven years before the Inquisition being questioned on every one of them. Four of the Inquisitors were involved in judgement against Galileo's heliocentrism that he attributed to Pythagoras.

Throughout the 1700 years of the Church's anti-Pythagorean battle against the heresies attributed to Pythagoras, whether he invented them or not, not once WAS THE GLOBAL EARTH ONE OF THE CONDEMNED. Indeed there was never mentioned the notion that the Scriptures depict or insists on a FLAT-EARTH. That had to be because it did not exist ever as a fact of Scripture.

But now we have a growing number of Catholics who are insisting the Scriptures do reveal a FLAT-EARTH, and calling any who disagree as bad Catholics to say the least, as anyone can check by reading their posts on this and other forums. This INFERS that all the Fathers and popes and theologians who never defended their FLAT-EARTH were FAILING IN THEIR CATHOLIC DUTY TO DEFEND THE TRUTHS OF SCRIPTURE. 
And that is why I sait it amounts to blasphemy or worse.
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