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Thank you for finding that video, Black Trads Matter; it watched it all. Makes you wonder, if all these cases are true and terrible, how the perpetrators can live with their lifestyles. I pray they convert and repent...but we are all sinners too, and beg for God's mercy. The devil is busy: you can't make this stuff up! I read that Fr Groche would give a huge discount for school tuition to some Gabonese students, so these students were kindda trapped....At the end of the day, probably 97 % of newSociety priests are decent, morally speaking. Hopefully more will wake up and see the problems with neoSociety doctrinal position. Bp. Faure said that good bishops and priests must act like worthy dogs... bark when danger is present. Otherwise the dog is useless. But it sounds pretty quiet out there in neoSociety land +
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: "real and natural water"???
« Last post by Ladislaus on Today at 08:05:38 PM »
I think we've discussed this before.  It basically has to look / feel / act like water according to common human perception.  Now, the more "polluted" it is and the less it resembles water, the less likely it is to constitute valid matter.  Thus, if the water is slightly mirky, most likely still valid.  If it's thick mud, less likely, etc.  But things like chemicals and pollutants that are largely imperceptible to the senses would not invalidate the Sacrament.  Tap water, despite the presence of chroine, chemicals, and other toxins, etc. ... would still constitute valid matter for the Sacrament of Baptism.  If your ordinary person would look at it, touch it, taste it, and say, "yep, that's water," then it's water.

By "hot or cold" is meant that the temperature doesn't matter and is not of the essence for validity.  Its temperature doesn't change the essence of water ... though I imagine that its state would, i.e. if it were frozen into ice or boiled into steam, but even then I'm sure touching ice to the skin would cause a tiny amount of it to melt into water, or a tiny bit of steam condensing on the head would not be difficult to achieve.  It has to flow on the skin and act like water, which obviously solid ice or steam can't readily do.
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / "real and natural water"???
« Last post by AnthonyPadua on Today at 08:02:00 PM »
The Church defines the element for Baptism as "real and natural water" either "hot or cold".

I have had some questions regarding this because many nations use recycled water that is heavily treated. And also does hot or cold exclude warm?
What is the proper way to understand the Church's meaning here?
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The Catholic Bunker / Re: The Beauty and wonder of birds.
« Last post by Seraphina on Today at 07:50:31 PM »
This cassowary I hope never to meet. He lives in the coastal rainforest and he is wont to attack.


Imagine if this cassowary spent some time in the atom collider!  He’d be truly magnificent!  Better than a guard dog! He’d make short work of the turkeys, too!
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The Catholic Bunker / Re: The Beauty and wonder of birds.
« Last post by Seraphina on Today at 07:38:58 PM »
Turkeys at Brookhaven National Laboratory, Long Island, NY, near AGS, Alternating Gradient Synchotron, atomic particle collider.
They glow in the dark. (Not! My Dad worked on the AGS for 42 years and he never glowed, either.)  🦃 💡  ☢️
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This walk leads to Hell.

That is where most of the Irish are going. Sadly.

It seems that the most Catholic countries are the ones which fall harder. France is already deep, but I believe that Spain and Portugal have a long way down too.
those countries were the ones who should have stayed faithful the most, too.
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This walk leads to Hell.

That is where most of the Irish are going. Sadly.

It seems that the most Catholic countries are the ones which fall harder. France is already deep, but I believe that Spain and Portugal have a long way down too.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: More Preparing the Terrain for +Huonder
« Last post by Mr G on Today at 02:13:57 PM »
Where is the source to prove Pope France ordered him there? I don't doubt it, I just can't find it, and it should be added to the wikipedia page on Huonder.
Many Trees including the Giant Redwoods are liable to grow back from the roots and stump. It depends on what kind of a tree the SSPX is.


How does this relate to the Fr Stark and other supposed not conditionally ordained NO convert priests working in the SSPX when ABL was alive?
Fr MacDonald on Bishop Huonder - SSPX Resistance Sermons - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)

Dear Faithful,

Bishop Vitus Hounder tells us that Pope Francis gave him the mission of working to integrate the
SSPX into the Conciliar Church in 2015. He began discussions with the SSPX and in 2019 moved
into a house of the SSPX which operates a school. The faithful's concerns at the time were allayed
as we were told that he was retiring and would not be teaching or doing priestly or episcopal
functions. The SSPX has published nothing in the English speaking world about his activities, but
he was active and not just retired.

Non Possumus: ABOUT MONS LINKS. HUONDER WITH THE JєωS AND OTHER SERIOUS EVENTS (nonpossumus--vcr-blogspot-com.translate.goog)


Pope Francis said SSPX priests 'are not schismatics': retired Swiss bishop - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

Huonder, the former bishop of Chur, Switzerland, first recounts in this new video how, on January 9, 2015, he received a letter from then-Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, asking him to “start a dialogue with representatives of the Society of St. Pius X.” The goal, he added, was to increase a personal relationship with this priestly society, as well as engage in doctrinal discussions.

Since that letter and mandate, Huonder has been in regular contact with the superior general of the SSPX (at the time Bishop Bernard Fellay, and now Don Davide Pagliarani), as well as other representatives. The discussions were meant to lead to a canonical regularization of the SSPX. (Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who is also a strong supporter of the SSPX, was another bishop asked by Pope Francis to visit houses of the SSPX in 2015).

In 2019, Bishop Huonder, upon his retirement, decided, with the expressed encouragement of the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei, to move into one of the houses of the SSPX in Switzerland. He did so in order to better know the inner life of the Society, as well as to compare its work with the life of a regular diocese such as the one he had been leading for the past 12 or so years.


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SSPX Resistance News / Re: More Preparing the Terrain for +Huonder
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 01:53:49 PM »
"Among other consequences, the Motu proprio Traditionis custodes may have prompted, here and there, members of the clergy of the of the official (or so-called "conciliar") Church to turn to the Society of Saint Pius X. In some cases, priests (and even a bishop, in the person of the Ordinary emeritus of Chur, Mgr Vitus Huonder) have even decided to offer their cooperation the apostolate of the Society. [Umm, no, he was ordered there by Francis -SJ]
Where is the source to prove Pope France ordered him there? I don't doubt it, I just can't find it, and it should be added to the wikipedia page on Huonder.

Just like if you girdle a tree (cut completely around the bark), the tree is dead. At least it's a POINT OF NO RETURN. The tree will continue to LOOK alive for a while: it will have soft, supple branches and leaves for months later, but no more sap can flow above the girdling point, where the cut was made. So it's "set in stone" or a done-deed that the tree is dead. It's just a matter of time before the death FULLY manifests itself.

With a chicken, death takes minutes after the "point of no return" (e.g., removing its head). With a tree, it takes months. The SSPX might take years (Rome wasn't built in a day -- and neither was it destroyed in a day!)

That is the state of the SSPX today. The girdling has been done 100%. The organization is fully doomed. Just a matter of time before all the chapels/policies/etc. fully reflect the fundamental shift that HAS TAKEN PLACE (past tense).
Many Trees including the Giant Redwoods are liable to grow back from the roots and stump. It depends on what kind of a tree the SSPX is.



A bit of Trad 101 --

One of the foundational principles that Trads have held to SINCE THE BEGINNING is the following:

When you have a doubtful Mass/priest and a certainly valid one, you are OBLIGATED to go with the more certain one.
And, the Novus Ordo (and new ordination) are at least SUSPECT/dangerous/doubtful.

Now I'll admit that some Trads today are more "sure than they ought to be" when it comes to the validity of the New Rite of Ordination -- or the Novus Ordo Missae for that matter. But that is beside the point.

The FACT is that these things are at least DOUBTFUL, and there is a Catholic principle that one is not even ALLOWED to go with a doubtful path when a certain path exists. That goes for the liquid used at Baptism, your Mass, your priest, and everything else. We must always choose the more certain.

TL;DR (short version): Catholic morality does not permit us to be risk-takers when it comes to what Mass we will attend, or other important matters touching on our Faith and our salvation. On the contrary, we are commanded to be extremely risk-averse and conservative -- taking the safest path.

It's my understanding that one can't approach doubtful Sacraments even if a certain path does NOT exist ... except in danger of death, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong.  There's some debate, of course, about whether there's positive or negative doubt about various scenarios.
How does this relate to the Fr Stark and other supposed not conditionally ordained NO convert priests working in the SSPX when ABL was alive?
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