There's really something to this, but the media has such control they have convinced the "sheeple" there's nothing to it, and the "birthers" are a bunch of crazies. Obama is actually a very good conman (or his "handlers" are) and he has stolen the Presidency of the U.S.!

 
 
INTERESTING  INDEED SINCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE RELEASE

It  was brought to light that back in 1961 people of color were called  'Negroes.' So how can this 'birth certificate' state he is  'African-American' when the term wasn't even used back then??

Here is a  comment from a reader to George Ure at UrbanSurvival..com <http://urbansurvival.com/> :
"As you all know,  Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate.
I will tell  you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I  watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire  ordeal altogether.
In fact, it was not until the White House released the  birth certificate that it had gained my attention. I am the studious sort of  guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this  docuмent.

While I would have thought  that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to  crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies  that merit some attention.

First of all, the birth  certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as  August 4,  1961. It also lists Barack  Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's  birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's  father was born in " Kenya ,  East  Africa ".

This  wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that  Kenya  did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27  years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a  country that did not yet exist?
Up and until Kenya  was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".

But, this is not the only  thing that I found that just does not jive. The other item that I looked  into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate  released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani  Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

This cannot be, because the  hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's  Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.

The name  did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until  1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the  hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been  applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am  not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that  this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it  has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these  issues, now I know that something is up.

If you doubt me, just look at  the following resources: Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can  read about the 1978 merger here.

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

Post-colonial history (from  Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/History_of_Kenya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya

The first  direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in  1957.
Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" African  rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that  formed a government shortly before Kenya  became independent on 12 December  1963, on the same day forming  the first Constitution of Kenya.

I've already debunked this problem (although it's phrased differently in this thread) on this very forum.

Quote from: CathMomof7

There was no such race as African or African American.

But that is irrelevant.

This whole African race deal steams from the fact that this is what is written for Obama's father as a race on the Birth Certificate.

The way they fill this, is by asking the father himself what race he belongs...  While it's true it was not custom for an American in the 60's to refer to the African race, it was common place for an AFRICAN in the 60's to do so.  I already linked on this forum to precise references of well read and popular African literature of the 60's doing just that.

It's not a matter for debate.  It's solved.

You know this as a fact?  Granted, the "African" issue is the least of the problems, I'm curious as to how you know that the staff at the hospital in 1962 wherein he was born asked the Father the race of the child and proceeded to enter "African."  Do you have video or audio of this historical event?  Considering that he was of "mixed" race, and not pure African, either by blood or by soil, I wonder what the reply would have been.  Appealing to African literature that used the descriptive term "African" holds very little probative value.

Vandaler,

How do you respond to the other claims/ questions about the BC in the article?

Quote from: Caminus

You know this as a fact? I'm curious as to how you know that the staff at the hospital in 1962 wherein he was born asked the Father the race of the child and proceeded to enter "African."  Do you have video or audio of this historical event?

I don't need to know the exact circuмstances for a fact.

What I have already provided in another thread is a docuмent on how to fill out a birth certificate (by those whose job it is to do that)...  It specifically says that this needs to asked to the father, what he considers to be is race.

So then, it's reasonable to not hold what an American would say, but rather, what an African would say. There is no reasons to doubt that it was done properly... In fact, for the reason stated in the opening post, it's almost certain that the question was asked to the father since what's written is not a typically American response.


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"A docuмent on how to fill out a birth certificate"?  From Hawaii, 1962?  And from which hospital did this docuмent originate?  The one where he was born?  Which hospital was it?  Last I checked, neither of the only two hospitals in question claim that he was born there.

This is a tangential point really, though.  The fact of the matter is that he is not an Article II natural born citizen due to the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen.  The definition of a natural born citizen is one who is born of two American citizens.  Therefore he is legally ineligible for the presidency.  It is a basic, straight foward legal fact.  End of discussion.    

Quote from: Vandaler

I have no original research on these claims....

The last paragraph of this snopes article address both the Kenya and hospital name.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

The article glosses over very serious evidence that the most recent birth record docuмent released by B.O. appears to be a forgery and sets up strawman arguments.  I find it ironic that you take pride in your critical thinking skills, but when it comes to anaylzing certain matters, it seems that you do not utilize them in any noteable degree.  In fact, you almost appear to become weak-minded.        

Caminus, please be specific.

And anyway, what you detect to be weakness, it's in fact a lack of interest.  I don't mind at all that you think it's a forgery.  It's no skin of my back.

Well, the first prerequisite to being an honest "debunker" is at very least to have a serious interest in the case at hand.

Your right... I used to have interest in this case and now I have lost it.  You need to realize that those like me who are as you say "debunkers" do not always have the staying power of those that do not let go of their pet theories in spite of the evidence.

I've lost the appetite, and tend to other matters, more productive and satisfying.  I guess you can say I'm retiring.