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Offline Neil Obstat

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Why not Senator Rubio?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 03:48:27 PM »
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    Rubio's family was Roman Catholic, though from age 8 to age 11, he and his family attended The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints while living in Las Vegas,[6] where his father worked as a bartender at Sam's Town Hotel and his mother a housekeeper at the Imperial Palace Hotel and Casino.[7] He received his first communion as a Catholic in 1984, before moving back to Miami with his family a year later. He was confirmed and married in the Catholic Church.[8][9]
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    When he was 8 years old and living in Las Vegas, Nevada, Rubio joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon), but he returned to Catholicism after receiving his first communion at 13 years old.[127] Rubio attends Christ Fellowship, a Southern Baptist Church[128] in West Kendall, Florida,[129] as well as Catholic services.[130]

    In an interview in 2012, Rubio said: "I'm a Roman Catholic. I'm theologically in line with the Roman Catholic Church. I believe in the authority of the church, but I also have tremendous respect for my brothers and sisters in other Christian faiths. I recognize, as the Catholic Church does, that there are excellent teachings of the Word throughout other denominations. The elements of salvation are found in these churches as well."[131]

    Footnotes:
    6. Burr, Thomas (June 18, 2012). "Marco Rubio's book explains why he left Mormonism". Salt Lake Tribune.
    7. "Marco Rubio About". Marco Rubio Senator. Retrieved 19 November 2014.
    8. Marrapodi, Erin (February 23, 2012). "Sen. Marco Rubio's religious journey: Catholic to Mormon to Catholic to Baptist and Catholic". CNN. Retrieved February 24, 2012.
    9. "Representative Marco Rubio". Florida House of Representatives.
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    127. Schneider, Elena (September 13, 2015). "Marco Rubio's Mormon play: The Florida senator is subtly leveraging his LDS background to build support in Nevada, where the Mormon community is small, but influential in GOP politics.". Politico (Washington, DC: Politico, LLC). Retrieved September 13, 2015.
    128. "Southern Baptist Convention". sbc.net.
    129. Gibson, David (November 15, 2010). "Is Marco Rubio Catholic or Baptist? Or Is the Reformation Over?". Politics Daily. Retrieved February 14, 2013.
    130. Oppenheimer, Mark (November 26, 2010). "Marco Rubio: Catholic or Protestant?". New York Times.
    131. Bailey, Sarah Pulliam (June 19, 2012). "Q & A: Marco Rubio on His Faith of Many Colors". Christianity Today. Retrieved February 14, 2013.


    I had to see if there was any more on this church-hopping business.

    As you see, Rubio is saying he's "theologically in line with the Roman Catholic Church," but what he's talking about is Vatican II theology, which is universalist and indifferentist.  

    That is, he thinks it's perfectly fine to believe that outside the Church there is salvation because "the Church" is a lot more than the Catholic Church, and the latter is a part of the former.

    Consequently, hopping from Catholic to Mormon, back to Catholic, then to Baptist, then Catholic, and back to Baptist, and back to Catholic every week or two or whatever, is par for the course when you've embraced the heresies of Vatican II (which is not a true Council of the Church, but rather a false council).

    Perhaps some would say he's "invincibly ignorant" of the real theology of the Roman Catholic Church.



    What would stop such a person from believing that there are "elements of salvation" in ANY other religion?

    When he says: "...there are excellent teachings of the Word throughout other denominations. The elements of salvation are found in these churches as well," what would prevent him from believing that Hindus, Buddhists, Mohammedans, devil worshipers, Satanists and Wiccans all have "excellent teachings of the Word" and there are elements of salvation found in among their teachings?

    How could such a person object to a statue of Baphomet being erected at a public place, for example, next to the Ten Commandments, you know, to provide a more balanced display?

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    Offline Charlemagne

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #16 on: October 31, 2015, 04:44:38 PM »
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  • To the best of my knowledge, the last truly Catholic candidate (or closest thereto) was Pat Buchanan, a paleoconservative anti-inverventionist who attends the true Mass and is no friend of "Israel." I'm proud to say I was part of the Buchanan Brigade in 1992 and worked against Bush the Cretin and the GOP Establishment.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #17 on: October 31, 2015, 05:34:31 PM »
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  • I don’t vote simply because the whole system is an illusion, a reality show, on par with American Idol. The whole Trump show makes me laugh when people say he is shaking things up and that he is a threat to the “establishment”. The fact of the matter is, if he really was a threat, he simply would not be in the debates or receive any coverage to begin with.   There are candidates out there who really are pro-life and have sound policy views. They are simply ignored, so nobody ever hears their views.

    It doesn’t matter who wins the reality show, the money behind these people actually run the country. These politicians are just their puppets, playing a role per se.  196 people give 80% of the money to politicians, who do you think they are paying attention to? The dumb goyim or the people who line their pockets? http://www.salon.com/2012/02/16/the_196_people_who_will_choose_our_next_president/

    Any way even if the elections were legit, the country would still be falling apart because its foundations are built on sand . Here is a short part of a  blog by  Louie Verrecchio to prove my point:
    https://harvestingthefruit.com/shoot_anthony_kennedy/

    What such persons fail to realize is that the United States of America was ever destined to become a moral cesspool thanks to the very principles upon which it was founded.
    At this, a brief civics lesson is (once again) apparently in order.

    Let us begin with a look at the opening paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence:
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    When read by one with sensus Catholicus; that is to say, through the lens of immutable truth, a number of dangers become readily evident; specifically:
    To assume among the powers of the earth … a decent respect to the opinions of mankind … deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
    And all of this in an effort to secure such rights as:
    Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    The problems should be evident. “Just powers” or “Governments” that wield power on earth do not derive their authority from “the consent of the governed,” but rather from God:
    No society can hold together unless some one be over all, directing all to strive earnestly for the common good, every body politic must have a ruling authority, and this authority, no less than society itself, has its source in nature, and has, consequently, God for its Author. Hence, it follows that all public power must proceed from God. For God alone is the true and supreme Lord of the world. Everything, without exception, must be subject to Him, and must serve him, so that whosoever holds the right to govern holds it from one sole and single source, namely, God, the sovereign Ruler of all. There is no power but from God. (cf Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei – 3)
    When a majority of citizens, such as in Maryland where I live, can go to the polls and vote in favor of redefining marriage to include “spouses” of the same sex, the inherent danger posed by a State ordered upon the fallacy of just powers derived from the consent of the governed, should be entirely obvious.
    Let’s be honest, an authentic American view of this regrettable situation (as opposed to a Catholic view) is that the one people have simply gone about asserting their collectiveright to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness as defined by the prevailing opinions of mankind.






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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 07:44:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    To the best of my knowledge, the last truly Catholic candidate (or closest thereto) was Pat Buchanan, a paleoconservative anti-inverventionist who attends the true Mass and is no friend of "Israel." I'm proud to say I was part of the Buchanan Brigade in 1992 and worked against Bush the Cretin and the GOP Establishment.


    I might actually vote if Buchanan was running, but he probably wouldn't make it past the primaries if he ran Republican.

    As it is, I am one of those Catholics that won't be voting and haven't voted in years (as is my husband).  I just don't think anything will ever really change.

    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »
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  • Rubio is demonically possessed, but in a "lawful" and organized way, just as the other candidates are, variably, diabolically oriented. If you want thermonuclear WWIII, go ahead, vote for Ru(jew)bio. He will do his very best to rise "Israel" above all nations after all of the radioactive snow has settled.

    I supported Buchanan in the 90s, and I wrote in his name in 2000.

    Trump is given (false negative) media attention, but this (controlled opposition) tactic effectively still embeds him into the minds of countless voters as a viable candidate who is "anti-establishment". Trump is a plant and a shill.

    If you want to know the candidate who was the real threat to the establishment and status quo back in '08 and '12, then look at the man who was completely ignored by the mainstream media. His name is Ron Paul. If the anti-Christ jews did not have ownership over the media, which they used to completely blackball him while shaping the minds of the electorate who can't think for themselves, then they would have αssαssιnαtҽd him, despite the fact the national and gubernatorial (of strategic importance) elections are completely rigged. Too much grassroots support for Ron Paul, and if people were allowed by the media to express their support for him, would have exposed the "elections" as not being real elections at all, but rather a huge show.



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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 10:09:41 AM »
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    Rubio is demonically possessed, but in a "lawful" and organized way, just as the other candidates are, variably, diabolically oriented. If you want thermonuclear WWIII, go ahead, vote for Ru(jew)bio. He will do his very best to rise "Israel" above all nations after all of the radioactive snow has settled.

    I supported Buchanan in the 90s, and I wrote in his name in 2000.

    Trump is given (false negative) media attention, but this (controlled opposition) tactic effectively still embeds him into the minds of countless voters as a viable candidate who is "anti-establishment". Trump is a plant and a shill.

    If you want to know the candidate who was the real threat to the establishment and status quo back in '08 and '12, then look at the man who was completely ignored by the mainstream media. His name is Ron Paul. If the anti-Christ jews did not have ownership over the media, which they used to completely blackball him while shaping the minds of the electorate who can't think for themselves, then they would have αssαssιnαtҽd him, despite the fact the national and gubernatorial (of strategic importance) elections are completely rigged. Too much grassroots support for Ron Paul, and if people were allowed by the media to express their support for him, would have exposed the "elections" as not being real elections at all, but rather a huge show.



    Interesting.  Can you comment on the differences between him and his son?

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 11:33:47 AM »
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  • Rubio is a bought and paid for Zionist shill puppet

    Paul Singer, Sheldon Adelson and others are all donating
    to him so that he orders the American military to attack Iran
    and be willing to start World War 3 for the Khazarian Mafia.

    He is an insult to all Catholics - a Jew bootlicker and either
    totally deceived or lacking of true moral character.

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 11:50:57 AM »
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    Rubio is demonically possessed, but in a "lawful" and organized way, just as the other candidates are, variably, diabolically oriented. If you want thermonuclear WWIII, go ahead, vote for Ru(jew)bio. He will do his very best to rise "Israel" above all nations after all of the radioactive snow has settled.

    I supported Buchanan in the 90s, and I wrote in his name in 2000.

    Trump is given (false negative) media attention, but this (controlled opposition) tactic effectively still embeds him into the minds of countless voters as a viable candidate who is "anti-establishment". Trump is a plant and a shill.

    If you want to know the candidate who was the real threat to the establishment and status quo back in '08 and '12, then look at the man who was completely ignored by the mainstream media. His name is Ron Paul. If the anti-Christ jews did not have ownership over the media, which they used to completely blackball him while shaping the minds of the electorate who can't think for themselves, then they would have αssαssιnαtҽd him, despite the fact the national and gubernatorial (of strategic importance) elections are completely rigged. Too much grassroots support for Ron Paul, and if people were allowed by the media to express their support for him, would have exposed the "elections" as not being real elections at all, but rather a huge show.



    I supported Ron Paul during both of his runs, but I just can't bring myself to support his son, Rand Paul. There's something about him that I just don't trust.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 02:58:53 PM »
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  • Are there are any other candidates besides Rand Paul who are NOT in Israel's pocket? (Can't say Trump because I don't think he is on any side of this issue.)
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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #24 on: November 01, 2015, 03:08:25 PM »
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    Are there are any other candidates besides Rand Paul who are NOT in Israel's pocket? (Can't say Trump because I don't think he is on any side of this issue.)


    Oddly enough, it's the DEMOCRATS that are much less Zionist, but the ones that were not socially liberal either quit politics or joined the Republicans.

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #25 on: November 03, 2015, 12:07:35 AM »
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  • It's all a show anyway. The U.S. was built on godless principles like a house built on sand. What we see today is only the logical and eventual result of those principles.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #26 on: November 03, 2015, 12:12:06 AM »
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  • What can we really do anyway? The voting process is rigged, whether like that of a tyrannical dictatorship or through orchestrated and covert influence. I mean how is it that we always end up the country being almost exactly in the middle every time? How can that be something that always ends up happening by coincidence?
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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #27 on: November 03, 2015, 08:37:08 AM »
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    I'm surprised some people, even Catholics, appear to think Trump'd be a good president.


    Here's a kindergarten song for you:  One of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong.  One of these things is not like the others.  Can you tell which one it is?  TRUMP.

    At least are large  number of the populace has the intelligence of a 5 year old.  



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    On the other hand some, maybe most, traditional Catholics would say supporting or voting for anyone running is a waste of time.


    In the U.S. it is.  Our election system is a national disaster.  In any given year, only a handful of states actually determine the outcome of any election.  Since 1990, there are 13 states that have voted Republican every time.  Collectively they garner 102 electoral votes.  There are 19 states that vote Democrat every time.  Collectively they garner 242 electoral votes.  If the Republican candidate lost Florida, then the Democrats win.

    Currently, as population shifts, more states swing in favor of Democrats than Republicans.

    Unless you are in one of those swing states, it is very unlikely that your Republican vote will count.  I live in PA.  I don't care how many Republicans go to the polls, this state will still fall blue.  The immigrant population in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and hαɾɾιsburg far out weigh the conservatives living in rural areas.  My vote, every year, is simply a vote for opposition.

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    So, let's hear it, what are the objections to Senator Rubio winning the nomination? He seems to be a Catholic, conservative senator and is pro-life, faith and family. Sure, we'd all prefer a traditional, Catholic, monarch ruling in the Name of Christ and the Holy Trinity, but since that is not likely any time soon, what are the thoughts of posters here on which candidate, if any, Catholics can support?


    Senator Rubio is a marginal Catholic.  He is definitely a believer in Zionism.  All the work that has been done to change the tide regarding abortion has been done by lay people and youtube videos.  It has been that fact that has driven local legislators to pass bills to de-fund PP.  Rubio, as president, could do very little to change the tide.  

    Besides, the Supreme Court is now the Supreme Lawmaker and Legislator of Evil.  The "Change the Supreme Court" ship has long set sail.

    The United States was founded entirely on Freemasonic and Protestant ideology.  Nothing about the U.S is Catholic. Nothing.  We have absolutely no good history of Catholicism other than a huge influx if immigrants coming to work in the steel mills and factories of the dawning Industrial Age.  We have fought no Crusades.  We have never battled against Islam.  We have never defended ourselves from heretics.  In fact, the United States has touted herself as a haven for all of the above.  

    We had one chance at a Catholic president and that was John F. Kennedy.  He openly and proudly declared to the Southern Baptists that he was not going to allow the Church or the Pope to guide his decisions that affected the American people.  Did American Catholics jump up and down in the pews about that?  Nope.  They applauded.  American Catholics are really just Catholic Americans.  They could really care less about living by Catholic principles.  

    I vote my Catholic principles.  

    I won't vote for a Zionist.

    I won't vote for a person who supports abortion for any reason.

    I won't vote for Muslims or Jews.  I could vote for a Protestant, but see comment about Zionism.

    I won't vote for war-mongers.

    I won't vote for shills for corporations like Big Pharma or Monsanto.

    These criteria eliminate just about every candidate.  Whoever meets these criteria will get my vote.  Otherwise, I will just stay home.


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #28 on: November 07, 2015, 08:52:04 AM »
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  • "The news last week that Paul Singer, billionaire Republican fundraiser and unabashed advocate of same-sex marriage, will support Marco Rubio for president has drawn mixed reviews from state and national pro-family activists.

    As Rubio rises in state and national polls, new scrutiny is being made of his positions and supporters.

    A billionaire hedge fund manager, Singer has been a major GOP donor – and has made quite clear that his priority issue has been support of gαy rights in the Republican Party. Singer and his network of donors have steered millions to GOP candidates at the federal and state level who backed same-sex marriage.

    In a 2013 interview with the Washington Post, Singer explained his position: "I believe marriage equality is critical to the future of individual liberty and the strength of the American family, and the Republican Party should stand for both.”

    Rubio has said publicly he opposes same-sex marriage and is strongly pro-life.            
             
    “Sen. Rubio encouraged many values voters when he spoke of the importance of defending life and said all the right things about marriage,” said Gary Bauer of the Working Families PAC, who is neutral in the presidential race. “And he said he welcomed a debate with Hilary Clinton on her extreme views.”

    But other social conservatives are concerned about Singer’s embrace of Rubio.

    “It certainly raises a question that ought to be addressed by Sen. Rubio,” said Colin Hanna, head of Let Freedom Ring, a traditional values organization.

    But, Hanna quickly added, “It should not be interpreted to mean that Sen. Rubio has suddenly capitulated on the issue of marriage being between a man and a woman, on which he has always been solid."
     
    Hanna emphasized that while he has not endorsed anyone for president, he is “very positive toward Rubio.”  
     
    But veteran cultural conservative leader Paul Caprio of the Chicago-based Family-PAC voiced concern about Singer’s endorsement of Rubio.
     
    “This could certainly hurt Rubio with a lot of social conservatives,” Caprio told Newsmax. “Singer wants to be influential in the platform [of the GOP national convention.  We know the radical position he comes from and that he uses his resources to advance it.”
             
    In 2012, for example, Singer raised more than $250,000 to help four embattled Republican state senators in New York who cast decisive votes that resulted in legalizing gαy marriage in the Empire State.

    Sandy Rios, director of government affairs for the American Family Association, strongly seconded Caprio’s view.

    “It would be a high bar indeed to expect presidential campaign donors to match a candidate's position on every issue,” Rios told Newsmax. “But when a donor like Paul Singer isn't just inclined to support gαy marriage, but has orchestrated the implementation of it with his millions, it should be of grave concern to social conservatives when that support is thrown behind Sen. Marco Rubio.”

    A top Republican fundraiser in New York City who is familiar with Singer doubts he would have publicly backed Rubio without assurances from the senator that opposition to same sex marriage would be an agenda item if elected.
             
    Still, supporters of Rubio on the cultural right are hopeful that their candidate’s strong pro-family position would not be affected by his newly minted support from Singer, who raised more than $11.5 million for Republican candidates in 2014 and $3 million for Mitt Romney in 2012."
     John Gizzi. Newsmax.
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    Why not Senator Rubio?
    « Reply #29 on: November 07, 2015, 03:06:30 PM »
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    Every single candidate up there is an establishment shill for the perfidious jews - both the Federal Reserve and "Israel".


    Absolutely correct. Well put.