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Re: Why Catholics Must Reject the 'Lesser of Two Evils'
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2024, 02:06:00 PM »
The following is taken from the clebrated catechism of Bishop Morrow, My Catholic Faith:

"Every Catholic who has the right to vote should exercise that right. … It may happen that all the candidates for an office are indifferent or hostile to religion.  In that case, if no other candidate can be made available, the Catholic should vote for the one least hostile to Christian principles, more moral in his qualities” (Bishop Morror, My Catholic Faith, 1949).

That is the traditional teaching of the Church regarding voting for the lesser of two evils - not choosing to do an act that is less evil than another, but voting (an act good in itself) for the better candidate, when there are no viable candidates who are good.  But in the case of Trump, we do have a candidate that is good, notwithstanding his personal opinion on certain moral evils.  In my opinion, considering the state of our country, I doubt there is any better candidate for President today than Trump. 
Your perspective on voting for Trump raises some important points worth discussing. While Bishop Morrow’s catechism suggests that a Catholic should vote for the least hostile candidate when all options are problematic, we must remember that this does not justify supporting a candidate who endorses intrinsic evils, like abortion.

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches us that “It is never lawful to do evil that good may come of it” (Summa Theologiae, II-II, Q. 64, Art. 7). This means that regardless of the circuмstances, if a candidate promotes grave moral wrongs, supporting them is still morally problematic.
Furthermore, the critique of both candidates as morally compromised echoes sentiments within the traditional Catholic community. The idea that voting for Trump means endorsing his flaws is not simply a matter of opinion but a serious concern for many who see it as a trap for one's soul. As one commenter aptly noted, "Trump isn’t the swamp—he is quicksand."

We must uphold our Catholic values above political expediency. Supporting candidates who fail to align with our faith only leads to further moral compromise. The goal should be to seek alternatives that genuinely reflect Catholic teachings, rather than settling for what appears to be the lesser evil.

So while you may see Trump as the better option in the current political landscape, we must remain vigilant and recognize that even lesser evils can lead to significant moral fallout. As Pope Pius XI stated in Casti Connubii, Catholics “cannot allow themselves to be guided by mere expediency.” It's vital we stick to our moral principles, no matter the situation.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Catholics Must Reject the 'Lesser of Two Evils'
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2024, 02:19:47 PM »
Yes.  These compromises with morality over the years has led us to where we are today.  Thirty, forty years ago, Trump and his views would have been considered far left lunacy but today he is the "conservative" choice. 

Correct.  Compromises based on "lesser evil" are what have enabled the engine of the Hegelian dialectic to march forward.  If even just Catholics had not compromised, it would have thrown a huge wrench into the gears of the Hegelian machine.  But this tolerance for "lesser evil" leads inexoraby to (and basically is a statement of) moral relativism.  With each election cycle, they provide a LESS less evil candidate, so that the end result is that one can barely tell the difference, and we today find ourselves in the deplorable situation where even self-proclaimed Traditional Catholics are promoting the liceity of voting for someone like Trump (which would have been a horrible scandal a few decades ago), someone who believes in exceptions for abortion, who will fund abortive IVF, will veto federal legislation banning abortion, believes the states have the right to legislate away human life, who brags about being the most pro-sodomite President in history and has attempted to force other countries to repeal anti-sodomite legislation, and who promises to enable the Jews to "finish the job" of their genocide and the establishment of greater Israel, to "Make Israel Great Again" (his words).  But due to lesser evil, that's considered OK now even by Trads, and in fact some are arguing that there's a moral obligation to vote for this deviant.

We're just a few steps away from the following scenario:

Candidate A:  Pro Unrestricted Abortion, Pro Sodomite, Pro Illegal Immigration, Bad Economic Policies
Candidate B:  Pro Unrestricted Abortion, Pro Sodomite, Pro Illegal Immigration, Slightly Better Economic Policies

... to saying that a Catholic may vote for Candidate B above, since he's the "lesser evil" due to his better (or slightly less bad) economic policies.  That's where moral relativism takes you, and there's no principled backstop to prevent the "lesser evil" principle from leading to this exact conclusion, providing a very clear reductio ad absurdum invalidation of the "lesser evil" thinking.


Offline Gray2023

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Re: Why Catholics Must Reject the 'Lesser of Two Evils'
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2024, 02:22:25 PM »
I am so confused by those who adamantly say do not vote.

Lets say people listen to you.  No Catholic votes because it is cooperating with evil.  What do you think that future would look like?  

Whatever small voice the Catholic had in society would then be null and void.

And if we apply this thought process (you can't do anything that cooperated with an evil) to living in this world, then wouldn't we have to make everything ourselves and essentially end up dead because we don't have any access to resources because it is all corrupted by the evil of those who run the businesses and work in the hospitals and run the government.  I know that this point has been brought up by others.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Catholics Must Reject the 'Lesser of Two Evils'
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2024, 02:25:53 PM »
Your perspective on voting for Trump raises some important points worth discussing. While Bishop Morrow’s catechism suggests that a Catholic should vote for the least hostile candidate when all options are problematic, we must remember that this does not justify supporting a candidate who endorses intrinsic evils, like abortion.

So, the standard I've seen is that one cannot support those who promote evils contrary to natural law.  Obviously we're not going to get candidates anytime soon who promote the Kingship of Christ and reject the separation of Church and State, and other errors contrary to Catholic teaching ... and one could look at various aspects of the US Constitution on those points as merely a tolerance, where the Church can tolerate a practical co-existence with false religions, for instance, but there's no toleration for evils against natural law.

There's no candidate, for instance, who believes that divorce should be outlawed and adultery punished ... but then even St. Thomas taught that it's OK to tolerate such evils in civl law (i.e. to not punish them, or to de-criminalize them) due to the practical problems with enforcing it.  So there's also a distinction to be made between tolerance of various evils and active promotion of them.

Re: Why Catholics Must Reject the 'Lesser of Two Evils'
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2024, 02:29:49 PM »
I am so confused by those who adamantly say do not vote.

Lets say people listen to you.  No Catholic votes because it is cooperating with evil.  What do you think that future would look like? 

Whatever small voice the Catholic had in society would then be null and void.

And if we apply this thought process (you can't do anything that cooperated with an evil) to living in this world, then wouldn't we have to make everything ourselves and essentially end up dead because we don't have any access to resources because it is all corrupted by the evil of those who run the businesses and work in the hospitals and run the government.  I know that this point has been brought up by others.
Look at examples from The Vendee on how to handle compromise.