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Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
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  • Guess an Al Jolson/Amos n Andy outdoor retrospective is out of the question…
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    Whodat "We"?/Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #61 on: August 18, 2017, 01:01:29 PM »
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  • Putin in [and] the Russians are sitting back and watching this, knowing all too damn well where we're heading. and they've been there before. Civil war, chaos and revolutionWe've been there as well [....]

    What do you mean. "We"?

    Not the people of the 18th--20th-Century U.S.A., who have never fought a war whose goal was to change the sovereign government (in which I include the British Crown):

    ·  War of American Independence: Fought strictly as a war of secession to establish an independent government then represented as a Confederation" in North America.  Its goals never included changing the central government in London, nor even replacing the reigning King George III,  and there was no class war (in the Marxist sense).  So its common name "American Revolution" is a misnomer.

    ·  War of Southern Independence (sometimes obscured as the "War of Secession"): Also was fought strictly as a war of secession.  Its goals never included changing the central government in Washington, D.C.  There was no class war (notably, slaves were legal property in states of both South and North, Southerners who didn't own slaves typically supported the Confederacy, and Yankees were widely opposed to being drafted to fight the Confederacy). Instead, the South formed a fully constitutional & representative Confederate States of America.  So its common name "Civil War" is a misnomer.

    ·  War of Texan Independence (1836--1836): Also fought strictly as a war of secession.  Its goals never included changing the often-military central government in Mexico, D.F. (notably its then-current "president" who was their (Army) General Antonio Lopez de Santa-Anna, who decreed their constitution abolished).  The war resulted in a separate Republic of Texas (1836--1845).  Mexicans long despised the Texans for daring to formally declare independence from themselves, altho' that's what they had done from Spain only 1_1/2 decades earlier (1821).


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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
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  • America’s Second cινιℓ ωαr
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    By Patrick J. Buchanan
    “They had found a leader, Robert E. Lee — and what a leader! … No military leader since Napoleon has aroused such enthusiastic devotion among troops as did Lee when he reviewed them on his horse Traveller.”
    So wrote Samuel Eliot Morison in his magisterial “The Oxford History of the American People” in 1965.
    First in his class at West Point, hero of the Mexican War, Lee was the man to whom President Lincoln turned to lead his army. But when Virginia seceded, Lee would not lift up his sword against his own people, and chose to defend his home state rather than wage war upon her.
    This veneration of Lee, wrote Richard Weaver, “appears in the saying attributed to a Confederate soldier, ‘The rest of us may have … descended from monkeys, but it took a God to make Marse Robert.'”
    Growing up after World War II, this was accepted history.
    Yet, on the militant left today, the name Lee evokes raw hatred and howls of “racist and traitor.” A clamor has arisen to have all statues of him and all Confederate soldiers and statesmen pulled down from their pedestals and put in museums or tossed onto trash piles.
    What has changed since 1965?
    It is not history. There have been no great new discoveries about Lee.
    What has changed is America herself. She is not the same country. We have passed through a great social, cultural and moral revolution that has left us irretrievably divided on separate shores.
    And the politicians are in panic.
    Two years ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe called the giant statues of Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson on Richmond’s Monument Avenue “parts of our heritage.” After Charlottesville, New York-born-and-bred McAuliffe, entertaining higher ambitions, went full scalawag, demanding the statues be pulled down as “flashpoints for hatred, division, and violence.”
    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.
    McAuliffe is echoed by Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, the Democratic candidate in November to succeed McAuliffe. GOP nominee Ed Gillespie wants Monument Avenue left alone.
    The election is the place to decide this, but the left will not wait.
    In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.
    Wednesday at dawn, Baltimore carried out a cultural cleansing by taking down statues of Lee and Maryland Chief Justice Roger Taney who wrote the Dred Scott decision and opposed Lincoln’s suspension of the right of habeas corpus.
    Like ISIS, which smashed the storied ruins of Palmyra, and the al-Qaida rebels who ravaged the fabled Saharan city of Timbuktu, the new barbarism has come to America. This is going to become a blazing issue, not only between but within the parties.
    For there are 10 Confederates in Statuary Hall in the Capitol, among them Lee, Georgia’s Alexander Stephens, vice president to Jefferson Davis, and Davis himself. The Black Caucus wants them gone.
    Mount Rushmore-sized carvings of Lee, Jackson and Davis are on Stone Mountain, Georgia. Are they to be blasted off?
    There are countless universities, colleges and high schools like Washington & Lee named for Confederate statesmen and soldiers. Across the Potomac from D.C. are Jefferson Davis Highway and Leesburg Pike to Leesburg itself, 25 miles north. Are all highways, streets, towns and counties named for Confederates to be renamed? What about Fort Bragg?
    On every cινιℓ ωαr battlefield, there are monuments to the Southern fallen. Gettysburg has hundreds of memorials, statues and markers. But if, as the left insists we accept, the Confederates were traitors trying to tear America apart to preserve an evil system, upon what ground do Democrats stand to resist the radical left’s demands?
    What do we do with those battlefields where Confederates were victorious: Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville?
    “Where does this all end?” President Trump asked.
    It doesn’t. Not until America’s histories and biographies are burned and new texts written to nαzιfy Lee, Jackson, Davis and all the rest, will a newly indoctrinated generation of Americans accede to this demand to tear down and destroy what their fathers cherished.
    And once all the Confederates are gone, one must begin with the explorers, and then the slave owners like Presidents Washington, Jefferson and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain. White supremacists all.
    Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay of Kentucky and John Calhoun must swiftly follow.
    Then there are all those segregationists. From 1865 to 1965, virtually all of the great Southern senators were white supremacists.
    In the first half of the 20th century, Woodrow Wilson and FDR carried all 11 states of a rigidly segregationist South all six times they ran, and FDR rewarded Dixie by putting a Klansman on the Supreme Court.
    While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as nαzιs in Charlottesville, will they take up the defense of the monuments and statues that have defined our history, or capitulate to the icon-smashers?
    In this Second American cινιℓ ωαr, whose side are you on?
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #63 on: August 19, 2017, 10:14:05 AM »
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    America’s Second cινιℓ ωαr
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    By Patrick J. Buchanan
    “They had found a leader, Robert E. Lee — and what a leader! … No military leader since Napoleon has aroused such enthusiastic devotion among troops as did Lee when he reviewed them on his horse Traveller.”
    So wrote Samuel Eliot Morison in his magisterial “The Oxford History of the American People” in 1965.
    First in his class at West Point, hero of the Mexican War, Lee was the man to whom President Lincoln turned to lead his army. But when Virginia seceded, Lee would not lift up his sword against his own people, and chose to defend his home state rather than wage war upon her.
    This veneration of Lee, wrote Richard Weaver, “appears in the saying attributed to a Confederate soldier, ‘The rest of us may have … descended from monkeys, but it took a God to make Marse Robert.'”
    Growing up after World War II, this was accepted history.
    Yet, on the militant left today, the name Lee evokes raw hatred and howls of “racist and traitor.” A clamor has arisen to have all statues of him and all Confederate soldiers and statesmen pulled down from their pedestals and put in museums or tossed onto trash piles.
    What has changed since 1965?
    It is not history. There have been no great new discoveries about Lee.
    What has changed is America herself. She is not the same country. We have passed through a great social, cultural and moral revolution that has left us irretrievably divided on separate shores.
    And the politicians are in panic.
    Two years ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe called the giant statues of Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson on Richmond’s Monument Avenue “parts of our heritage.” After Charlottesville, New York-born-and-bred McAuliffe, entertaining higher ambitions, went full scalawag, demanding the statues be pulled down as “flashpoints for hatred, division, and violence.”
    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.
    McAuliffe is echoed by Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, the Democratic candidate in November to succeed McAuliffe. GOP nominee Ed Gillespie wants Monument Avenue left alone.
    The election is the place to decide this, but the left will not wait.
    In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.
    Wednesday at dawn, Baltimore carried out a cultural cleansing by taking down statues of Lee and Maryland Chief Justice Roger Taney who wrote the Dred Scott decision and opposed Lincoln’s suspension of the right of habeas corpus.
    Like ISIS, which smashed the storied ruins of Palmyra, and the al-Qaida rebels who ravaged the fabled Saharan city of Timbuktu, the new barbarism has come to America. This is going to become a blazing issue, not only between but within the parties.
    For there are 10 Confederates in Statuary Hall in the Capitol, among them Lee, Georgia’s Alexander Stephens, vice president to Jefferson Davis, and Davis himself. The Black Caucus wants them gone.
    Mount Rushmore-sized carvings of Lee, Jackson and Davis are on Stone Mountain, Georgia. Are they to be blasted off?
    There are countless universities, colleges and high schools like Washington & Lee named for Confederate statesmen and soldiers. Across the Potomac from D.C. are Jefferson Davis Highway and Leesburg Pike to Leesburg itself, 25 miles north. Are all highways, streets, towns and counties named for Confederates to be renamed? What about Fort Bragg?
    On every cινιℓ ωαr battlefield, there are monuments to the Southern fallen. Gettysburg has hundreds of memorials, statues and markers. But if, as the left insists we accept, the Confederates were traitors trying to tear America apart to preserve an evil system, upon what ground do Democrats stand to resist the radical left’s demands?
    What do we do with those battlefields where Confederates were victorious: Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville?
    “Where does this all end?” President Trump asked.
    It doesn’t. Not until America’s histories and biographies are burned and new texts written to nαzιfy Lee, Jackson, Davis and all the rest, will a newly indoctrinated generation of Americans accede to this demand to tear down and destroy what their fathers cherished.
    And once all the Confederates are gone, one must begin with the explorers, and then the slave owners like Presidents Washington, Jefferson and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain. White supremacists all.
    Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay of Kentucky and John Calhoun must swiftly follow.
    Then there are all those segregationists. From 1865 to 1965, virtually all of the great Southern senators were white supremacists.
    In the first half of the 20th century, Woodrow Wilson and FDR carried all 11 states of a rigidly segregationist South all six times they ran, and FDR rewarded Dixie by putting a Klansman on the Supreme Court.
    While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as nαzιs in Charlottesville, will they take up the defense of the monuments and statues that have defined our history, or capitulate to the icon-smashers?
    In this Second American cινιℓ ωαr, whose side are you on?
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #64 on: August 19, 2017, 05:03:46 PM »
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  • Is there some reason y'all can't just link or, if you're posting your own BOOK maybe do it on its own dedicated thread? I mean, apparently you think that it merits sucking multiple screens and scrolls anyway…
    Or, for that matter, posting things in gigantic font.
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #65 on: August 19, 2017, 05:24:32 PM »
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  • Or, for that matter, posting things in gigantic font.
    Oh yeah, that's always a hit. Nothing screams "disregard me!" like "Attack of the Fifty Foot Font!"

    I'm on a Kindle READER; I feel bad enough "bussin' caps".
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #66 on: August 19, 2017, 06:27:48 PM »
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    What do you mean. "We"?

    Not the people of the 18th--20th-Century U.S.A., who have never fought a war whose goal was to change the sovereign government (in which I include the British Crown):
    Uh, yes, the Crown was the sovereign government in the Colonies at that time.

    The PEOPLE, aka the "colonists" took a tremendous risk in defying the world's most powerful empire at the time. The only way these colonials pulled this off (Defeating a vastly superior force) was from major influence and threats from other European kingdoms, who were still players on the global scene at the time. But make no mistake, for all practical purposes, the English king and his influence, was removed during the War of Indepnedence.

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    ·  War of Southern Independence (sometimes obscured as the "War of Secession"): Also was fought strictly as a war ofsecession.  Its goals never included changing the central government in Washington, D.C.  There was no class war (notably, slaves were legal property in states of both South and North, Southerners who didn't own slaves typically supported the Confederacy, and Yankees were widely opposed to being drafted to fight the Confederacy). Instead, the South formed a fullyconstitutional & representative Confederate States of America.  So its common name "Civil War" is a misnomer.

    I can basically agree with this. but again, the Union, was the sovereign government. If Johhny Reb wasn't attempting to remove an oppressive northern regime from interfering with it's own economy and internal  politics, what the hell was he trying to do? oh, thatz right, create a new nation and removing any influence from the rogue state from his lands.



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    War of Texan Independence (1836--1836): Also fought strictly as a war of secession.  Its goals never included changing the often-military central government in Mexico, D.F. (notably its then-current "president" who was their (Army) GeneralAntonio Lopez de Santa-Anna, who decreed their constitution abolished).  The war resulted in a separate Republic of Texas (1836--1845).  Mexicans long despised the Texans for daring to formally declare independence from themselves, altho' that's what they had done from Spain only 1_1/2 decades earlier (1821).
    Again, they kicked the reigining government out of their lands. In effect, changing it.


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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #67 on: August 19, 2017, 09:38:55 PM »
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  • Guess an Al Jolson/Amos n Andy outdoor retrospective is out of the question…
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    Don't throw in the towel just yet!
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    I heard on the radio news this morning that a Confederate soldiers' memorial in an Orange County cemetery (Caifornia) is under consideration for removal. without anyone having complained about it. They say "It had been forgotten" until the Charlottesville incident. If the group who had it put up in the first place doesn't voluntarily step in to remove it, the cemetery says they're setting in motion a plan to tear it out in a month or two. I wonder who's going to pay for this demolition??
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    I suppose this Orange County news isn't making national headlines. Makes me wonder how many other Confederate soldiers' cemetery monuments are at risk for being torn down? Could be two or more in every state! This one in O.C. was erected by sons of the fallen soldiers, who had moved into California after the War Between the States.
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    More Rush/Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #68 on: August 20, 2017, 10:00:41 PM »
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  • [Rush Limbaugh's] whole 3 hour program today[, Thursday,] has been dedicated to this, primarily by laying out all the evidence to substantiate his claim.

    Regrettably, Rush's Week in Review today (broadcast Sundays 4--7 p.m. in Central Florida)[‡], seems to have rebroadcast less than 1 hour from that Thursday live show that I completely missed.  I had been especially hoping to hear him corroborate the deadly driver's alleged [×] affiliation with the Hillary 2016 campaign.

    Rush did rebroadcast at least some of his skeptical remarks about the motives of the overall organizer of the White-whatever marchers for the legal permit-holder "Unite the Right" march, identified elsewhere as Jason Kessler,  who claims to be a 2009 grad of U.Va., and (at least now) a Charlottesville local.  But it's less reliable than ordinary 3rd-hand hearsay, lacking in specifics and filtered thro' the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), of all places!

    Quote from: Southern Poverty Law Center (undated)
    Rumors abound on white nationalist forums that Kessler’s ideological pedigree before 2016 was less than pure and seem to point to involvement in the Occupy movement and past support for President Obama. [✡]

    That's involvement extending to November 2016!   Progressing from either one to organizing "Unite the Right" being such a dramatic reversal that it's highly implausible as an honest change.

    Alas, Rush used up perhaps 1/2 hour to indulge 2 callers who had no ability to make their forgettable points quickly, the 2nd using up perhaps 20 minutes out of the last 1/2 hour of the show.

    Rush seems to reject the idea that among the "right",  an objective reporter might encounter a significant number of peaceful demonstrators who are honestly opposed to yet another episode of cowardly politicians kowtowing to dictatorial leftists on astroturf missions to confront or attack what might be more honestly called "white heritage".

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    Note ‡: Rush's Week in Review has only 3 hours for rebroadcasting extracts of each week's 15 hours of live air-time.

    Note ×: Claimed in a YouTube video: <https://www.youtube.com/embed/KQnfpZSWEVc?rel=0>, as embedded in a posting by St Ignatius (#49 on: August 17, 2017, 10:34:47), who fails to identify its source & length in the text of his posting.  Excerpts were summarized 2 hours later by Neil Obstat: <https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/white-nationalist-rally-turns-deadly-in-virginia/msg560583/#msg560583> (#52 on: August 17, 2017, 12:40:07).

    Note ✡: <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler>.  I really don't want to derail this topic, but this being CathInfo, readers should probably be cautioned that it's the same SPLC whose leadership features disproportionately numerous Jєωιѕн surnames, which is significant when they criticize SSPX and "radical traditional Catholics" as among "the largest single group of serious αnтι-ѕємιтєs in America" (URL omitted to discourage derailing).

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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #70 on: August 21, 2017, 06:38:09 PM »
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  • it must be very difficult being a minority murdering pack of crackers one minute…

    … and then throwing a family pack of crackers under the bus the next.

    Cops just can't win can they?
    Boom: Charlottesville Police Officer Tells All:

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/boom-charlottesville-police-officer-tells-all/
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #71 on: August 21, 2017, 07:52:59 PM »
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  • The same weekend as Chartlottesville only one died. In Chicago the same weekend, 9 were shot to death.
    Nothing in the mass media. All black upon black crimes.

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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #72 on: August 21, 2017, 11:26:49 PM »
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  • The Antifa nerds should trek over to the dark continent and beat up all the blacks who currently own slaves.

    If white nationalism equals white supremacism then progressives, the media, and Theresa May should demand that Trump remove the Winston Churchill bust from the Oval Office. In 1955 Churchill approved of the slogan "Keep England White."

    I agree that Spencer and Kessler reek and shouldn't be trusted. Any group that doesn't specifically exclude Jєωs can't even be considered trustworthy. The alt-right is chock-full of Jєωs, and whenever Jєωs belong to a group they will control it.

    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #73 on: August 22, 2017, 03:46:34 AM »
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  • I agree that Spencer and Kessler reek and shouldn't be trusted. Any group that doesn't specifically exclude Jєωs can't even be considered trustworthy. The alt-right is chock-full of Jєωs, and whenever Jєωs belong to a group they will control it.
    True.
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    Re: White nationalist rally turns deadly in Virginia
    « Reply #74 on: August 27, 2017, 05:56:56 PM »
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  • If you have an extra hour or so on your hands, this video is an absolute necessity.



    The "Ford Fisher" guy from American University ( CIA U) was orchestrating the whole scenerio through his live stream. 
    Unreal.