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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 19, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
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IF Obama is a Christian, he is definitely not a Catholic.
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Christian!!?? I suppose that is why he had the crucifix and other Christian images removed when he visited a few Vatican II Catholic colleges to speak at. He refused to be photographed with such images in the background, that too was on the news, several months ago.
You can probably still google that story if you are lucky enough to plug in the correct keywords.
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Christian!!?? I suppose that is why he had the crucifix and other Christian images removed when he visited a few Vatican II Catholic colleges to speak at. He refused to be photographed with such images in the background, that too was on the news, several months ago.
You can probably still google that story if you are lucky enough to plug in the correct keywords.
I remember that day. It was so good just to watch him get booed at first.
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Christian!!?? I suppose that is why he had the crucifix and other Christian images removed when he visited a few Vatican II Catholic colleges to speak at. He refused to be photographed with such images in the background, that too was on the news, several months ago.
You can probably still google that story if you are lucky enough to plug in the correct keywords.
I remember that day. It was so good just to watch him get booed at first.
Yes, lucky me, I just found the link just in case someone out there wants to read about it.
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=33195
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
It's called damage control. The latest polls show that 18% of the Amerikan public believe that Obama is muslim, up 8% from March 2009. The numbers can be seen here,
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Growing-Number-of-Americans-Say-Obama-is-a-Muslim.aspx
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Well, BO claims the Gulf is fine...the gub'ment claims tear-our-wrists brought down WTC 1, 2, and 7 with a couple of planes...and on and on and on and on...
It is only news if they tell the truth :)
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
this is old, old news-He joined some black protestant Christ Church or something....maybe he prays daily, maybe not-so what? so did Bush, Clinton..et al.....
God does not hear the prayers of sinnders, unless the sinner is repenting and praying for repentance and grace....
and no, no Catholic nation, so ehnce, faulty...
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The same claims were made about the one before him :plant:
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The same claims were made about the one before him :plant:
you mena the teflon "I love Jesus" Bush??, so true!!
To this day, my Mom trashes Obamam but Bush?? why, others were "just out to get him" and he was Okey-dokey...
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
It's called damage control. The latest polls show that 18% of the Amerikan public believe that Obama is muslim, up 8% from March 2009. The numbers can be seen here,
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Growing-Number-of-Americans-Say-Obama-is-a-Muslim.aspx
Yeah, I saw those numbers. I don't even think Obama worships the Muslim god. Like I said, I think he likely worships Lucifer.
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
this is old, old news-He joined some black protestant Christ Church or something....maybe he prays daily, maybe not-so what? so did Bush, Clinton..et al.....
God does not hear the prayers of sinnders, unless the sinner is repenting and praying for repentance and grace....
and no, no Catholic nation, so ehnce, faulty...
True. Although, you know the White House has no class when you hear them claim Obama is Christian. He can't be, even if he really does call himself one. His viewpoints contradict the very words of Christ.
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you mena the teflon "I love Jesus" Bush??, so true!!
I'm talkin bout de Shrub!
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you mean the teflon "I love Jesus" Bush??, so true!!
I'm talkin bout de Shrub!
hehhehe
hey, did you ever see the Cheers episode where Frasier got Woody elected, merely by looking good nad saying what everyone wanted to hear?
Wish I was charismtic and good speaker...I wold buy a nice blue suit, red time, carry a bible and have a photo op outside of a non-descript looking Church and then, run for something as a Republican and try it out....tell everyone what they want to hear, etc....bet I would get elected...
naw, still would be a waste of time.
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Well, BO claims the Gulf is fine...the gub'ment claims tear-our-wrists brought down WTC 1, 2, and 7 with a couple of planes...and on and on and on and on...
It is only news if they tell the truth :)
what??? you woke me up, how dare you :roll-laugh1: you mean, 3 buildings do not fall into their footprint at fast rate when planes hit two of them, causing moderate damage....come on now, I was snoozing nicely :sheep: :sleep: :sleep:
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Has anyone heard this ridiculous news that the White House claims Obama is a Christian? They say he "prays daily". Even if he does pray daily, I bet it isn't to God but is to :devil2:
Afterall, Obama's catchphrase played backwards says "Thank you Satan". It's all just a big hoax to try and get more people warmed up to Obama and our world leaders. Wish I had an article to post on it. Sorry.
It's called damage control. The latest polls show that 18% of the Amerikan public believe that Obama is muslim, up 8% from March 2009. The numbers can be seen here,
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Growing-Number-of-Americans-Say-Obama-is-a-Muslim.aspx
Yeah, I saw those numbers. I don't even think Obama worships the Muslim god. Like I said, I think he likely worships Lucifer.
he is a pupper, but his handlers do, direclty not always, but through New age and other fronts for :devil2:
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Well, BO claims the Gulf is fine...the gub'ment claims tear-our-wrists brought down WTC 1, 2, and 7 with a couple of planes...and on and on and on and on...
It is only news if they tell the truth :)
what??? you woke me up, how dare you :roll-laugh1: you mean, 3 buildings do not fall into their footprint at fast rate when planes hit two of them, causing moderate damage....come on now, I was snoozing nicely :sheep: :sleep: :sleep:
"9/11 was a complete fraud-F.R.A.U.D, fraud"
-Bishop Williamson
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Yes, lucky me, I just found the link just in case someone out there wants to read about it.
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=33195
Shocking... But why is it that he chose a Catholic for his running mate?
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Yes, lucky me, I just found the link just in case someone out there wants to read about it.
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=33195
Shocking... But why is it that he chose a Catholic for his running mate?
You mean Joe Bidden? Well, here's the thing. Joe Bidden, Nancy Polosi, John Kerry, and the other so-called Catholic leaders ARE NOT Catholic. They are CINO Catholics, Catholic in name-only. You can't be Catholic and support gαy marriage, abortion, etc. For all we know, they could literally hate Catholicism and just call themselves Catholic to get more people to like them. That is why the White House said Obama is a Christian. It's all a hoax to fool people into accepting this nutcases.
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Obama is not a Muslim either...that was a GOP initiated hoax that apprently, will not die...just looked in on a Calvinist site and one of the posters there called him a Muslim.....
if anything, would say he is a Prot in name only, but largely, nothing in practice and theology...then again, a lot of black Prot congregations are poorly led, the minister being largely untrained and under-educated.....
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Obama is not a Muslim either...that was a GOP initiated hoax that apprently, will not die...just looked in on a Calvinist site and one of the posters there called him a Muslim.....
if anything, would say he is a Prot in name only, but largely, nothing in practice and theology...then again, a lot of black Prot congregations are poorly led, the minister being largely untrained and under-educated.....
True. He may have originally been a muslim but now is most likely a satan worshiper.
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this is article by a Calvinist, so heads up, but he makes some decent points here and there:
“Hurricane Dyson” A Verbal “Katrina” Floods Us With Nonsense Re: Obama’s Religion, Islam — Everything He Talks About!
By John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Dr. Michael Eric Dyson is another individual totally freaked out because, according to polls, many Americans: (1) Think President Obama is a Muslim. (2) They think he is not a Christian. (3) They are unsure what, exactly, is Mr. Obama’s religion. Dr. Dyson says he is an ordained Baptist minister. He hosts a radio talk show. He teaches sociology at Georgetown University.
Have you ever seen Dr. Dyson in action? It’s quite a spectacle. There is no issue he’s asked to comment on that he cannot, instantly, at length — and I mean at length — relate to race. To see him talk, reminds me of something once said about Hubert Humphrey — that, hurricane-like, “he talks a thousand words a minute, with gusts up to 1,500 words, sometimes 2,000-a-minute.”
Talkwise, however, Michael Eric Dyson is very different from Hubert Humphrey. He is a verbal “Hurricane Katrina” all the time! And he was blowing wild in a recent appearance (8/20/10) on MSNBC’s “Countdown” show hosted by Keith Olbermann. The topic was these things said by the Rev. Franklin Graham on CNN:
“First of all, I think the president’s problem is that he was born a Muslim. His father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim. His father gave him an Islamic name.
“Now, it’s obvious that the president has renounced the Prophet Mohammed and he has renounced Islam and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. So, I just have to believe the president in what he has said.
“But he — the confusion is, is because his father was a Muslim, he was born a Muslim. The Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs. That’s why Gaddafi calls him “my son.” They see him as a Muslim. But, of course, the president says he is a Christian and we just have to accept it as that.”
Here’s just some of what Dr. Dyson had to say in response to Graham and responding to Olbermann questions (fasten your seatbelts):
“[President Obama] didn’t renounce what he never embraced. He embraces Islam, he embraces Judaism, he embraces Christianity and all religions as expressions of people’s will to believe in a higher power. So he affirms them in that sense. But there’s no renunciation going on even if he disagrees with their ultimate faith project or if he happens not to be part of their community.
“He happens to be a Christian. I was a member of the same church that Mr. Obama was a member of. President Obama, I saw him in church. He went to Trinity United Church of Christ. He is a Christian. And it’s an insult to Muslims to even have to make that distinction because we acknowledge the beauty of their faith, and Christianity and Judaism and Islam share Abraham and a few other profits, including Jesus. So, the point is, they’re all in the same family. This sounds like interesting (ph) squabbles among bigoted religious people.
“I think Mr. Graham is on horrible ground here. If we’re looking at people’s Christianity, the Bible tells us, and I happen to be an ordained Baptist minister as well, to judge them by their fruit. Judge not lest you be judged.
“And so, he’s judging Mr. Obama. And then on the other hand, the Bible tells us not to judge but inspect people’s fruit. If you look at the fruit of Obama, he’s engaged in every form of manifestation of Christianity that his father did. Mister — that is Mr. Billy Graham, Reverend Billy Graham went to South Africa and refused to speak out against apartheid, saying he only wanted to speak to the souls of men and not their bodies.
“A lot of us who are prophetic and left-leaning Christians could say, you’re not a Christian at all because you failed to challenge the economic and social structure of the world. So, we don’t want to get into slinging accusations about who’s Christian and who’s not Christian.
“I think this game of innuendo and inference, asserting Mr. Obama to be Christian, in scare quotes, “If he says he is, he is,” is one of the most un-Christian, uncharitable things that could be done…. I mean, when you began the question about the racial factor, because if he was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed man, we wouldn’t be talking about this.
“Karl Rove would not be challenging whether or not he’s a citizen of the United States of America or the birthers or the Tea Party Movement. For that matter, can Karl Rove give us — if Obama is not from America, is Mr. Rove from this earth?
“So, the reality is, that we are challenging the authenticity and legitimacy of a man whose bona fides have been well-established. But, again, I think the racial subtext here cannot be ignored. And we’re trying to otherize him — we’re trying to make him something essentially different than what we are.
“First, they tried to say he was un-American. Then they said he was communist. How can he be an un-American communist Muslim? Because Dr. King said, Christianity and other great religions have an essential contradiction between themselves and communism, and now, but he’s a communist — but then — now, he’s a believing communist. Well, he is a Muslim and communist and un-American. Which one is it? The jumble of epithets that are being hurled with lethal insensitivity against Mr. Obama are nothing but the made-over bigotry of people trying to find newfangled ways to dress up old oldfangled bigotry….
“It’s really unfortunate. I think, the reality is, is that, look, he’s fighting an uphill battle. He’s got racial issues. He’s got religious issues. He’s got issues of American citizenship. So, I think what Mr. Obama has to do, President Obama, during the campaign, they put out, you know, a Web site that try to fight some of this. That’s one way.
“But another way is for not only Mr. Obama but members of religious communities — of Christian communities — to step out on their faith and say, look, let’s stop haranguing this man, let’s stop berating him. He is a Christian by any other measurement that we measure anybody else. We judge anybody else. He says he is. We believe he is. He’s been accepted into the faith. Then let’s perform it. Let’s not talk about it. Jesus said a lot of people who call my name will not ultimately be in the kingdom with me. So, it’s not what you say out of your mouth. It’s what you perform in your heart.
“I’m an ordained Baptism minister for more than 30 years. I’d rather be with an atheist who claims never to believe in God but who does good works than side with people like Franklin Graham who say they know the same God I know, yet I can’t discern any credible connection between the God I worship who is about justice and mercy and truth and love — and the judgmental, harshly indifferent to the plight of the poor God Mr. Graham seems to worship. I’d rather be with those who perform the reality of the faith than who claim it out of their mouths.”
Olbermann: Only one word for that. Amen.
Well, there are, of course, many words that could be said in response to Dr. Dyson says none of them should be “amen” which indicates approval. For example:
DYSON: [President Obama] embraces Christianity and all religions as expressions of peoples’ will to believe in a higher power.
COMMENT: Would a real Christian do this? I think not.
DYSON: [Mr. Obama] is a Christian. And it’s an insult to Muslims to even have to make that distinction because we acknowledge the beauty of their faith, and Christianity and Judaism and Islam share Abraham and a few other prophets, including Jesus. So, the point is, they’re all in the same family. This sounds like interesting squabbles among bigoted religious people.
COMMENT: This is really bad. A real Christian would, in no way, see Islam, a false religion from a Christian/Biblical view, as a “beautiful” faith. And Christianity teaches that Jesus is God, not merely a “prophet”! And we are not all in the “same family.” Jesus says that those who say He is not God are children of the devil! (John 8:44ff.)
DYSON: We don’t want to get into slinging accusations about who’s Christian and who’s not Christian.
COMMENT: Sure, we do, but with the Bible as our standard of judgment. This is a very important issue — to know who is a sheep, who is a wolf!
DYSON: I’d rather be with an atheist who claims never to believe in God but who does good works than side with people like Franklin Graham who say they know the same God I know, yet I can’t discern any credible connection between the God I worship who is about justice and mercy and truth and love — and the judgmental, harshly indifferent to the plight of the poor God Mr. Graham seems to worship. I’d rather be with those who perform the reality of the faith than who claim it out of their mouths.”
COMMENT: Very revealing here re: Dyson’s lack of Biblical discernment, Scriptural knowledge. First, no such thing as “atheists.” As St.Paul tells us in Romans 1:18ff: All human beings know there is a God but suppress this truth in unrighteousness, etc. Thus, no “atheists.” Secondly, no unbeliever (“atheist”) does any “good works” because, as Jesus says, there is no good except from God! Thus, “good” equals “Godly;” therefore, because “atheists” never do anything because God requires it, they never do anything for Godly, “good” reason so works never “good” (Godly.)
Remember: Even the plowing of the wicked is sin (Proverbs 21:4). No unbeliever ever does anything for the right/Godly reason so no unbeliever can ever do a good (Godly) work.
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another article, same writer:
No, Brother Caldwell, We Do Not, Sir, Have To Believe President Obama A Christian Just Because He Says He Is A Christian….
By John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
The excited, appalled gentleman you see here holding his head in disbelief is Kirbyjon Caldwell, Senior Pastor, Windsor Village United Methodist Church, Houston, Texas. He is the man to whom the White House often refers the media to discuss President Obama’s religion. He has been called “an informal spiritual advisor” to Mr. Obama; ditto for President George W. Bush.
What has Senior Pastor Caldwell so exercised, as shown here on “ABC World News Tonight” (8/20/10), are poll numbers that show that a lot of Americans think President Obama is a Muslim and/or they say they do not know what his religion is. And Caldwell finds this outrageous. Why? Well, because the President has said he is a Christian. Caldwell says:
“When a man says I am a Christian, who are we to say he’s not? This is just incredibly unbelievable to me.”
Caldwell has also said (Public Radio): “It is fair and civil to attack the president’s politics and his policies. I think it’s unfair and uncivil, and even un-American, to attack the man’s personal, personal fundamental faith.”
He has said (“New York Times”) “Never in the history of modern-day presidential politics has a president confessed his faith in the lord, and folks basically call him a liar.”
He has said (CNN): “I have heard the president very clearly, systematically and scripturally express his faith in Jesus Christ….Never in the history of modern day politics has the president said, I’m a Christian, and folks say, no, you’re not a Christian, you’re a Muslim…As my grandmother used to say, that’s downright uncouth. It’s way over the top. Doggone it, if a man says he’s a Christian, we have to believe him.”
Well, now. We most certainly do not have to believe a person is a Christian simply because that person says he is a Christian! Simply saying you are a Christian does not make you a Christian.
None other than our Lord Himself tells us what the Christian faith test is. He says in Matthew 7:15ff: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
OK — “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
So, what is the Christian fruit by which we are to judge whether or not President Obama is a “good tree,” a Christian? What are his beliefs on various issues that are according to Scripture? What has he actually done that is evidence he is most likely a Christian?
Well, in all honesty, I see nothing Mr. Obama has ever said or done that indicates he is a Christian. He, obviously, has no Biblical view of civil government. He’s pro-abortion, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. And there is much more of this kind of “evil fruit” that indicates that while Mr. Obama may say he’s a Christian, he is a “false prophet,” a “ravening wolf.”*
*Noah Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines “ravening” as: “Preying with rapacity; voraciously devouring.” As a noun, from Luke 11: “Eagerness for plunder.”
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According to this he is not even an American born, if that doesn't matter anymore, didn't he allow a lie about it AFTER he bacame pres.
http://tinyurl.com/2wteged
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Obama is liekly NOT american born, but try to mention that to anyone...eve El Rushbo laughs that off as a "nutty conspiracy theory" with no traction (in his corporate, controlled world, it is not)
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John McCainn isn't American-born either. So neither he nor Obama would have qualified to be President. What's so freightening is that we don't really know where Obama was born. Very few people know much of anything about his private life. Heck, some people even think he's gαy.
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McCain was born in US territory, the canal zone and in a military base I think, hence he is sadly a US citizen......though neither man is fit to be Prez.....
a man born in Germany, but US military hospital is a citiizen, I think...so, same for McCain...anyone know another reason?
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John McCainn isn't American-born either. So neither he nor Obama would have qualified to be President. What's so freightening is that we don't really know where Obama was born. Very few people know much of anything about his private life. Heck, some people even think he's gαy.
unlike McCain, Gnigrich, Limbaugh,etc,etc...he is marreid to same woman whole time, though the gαy thing or bisɛҳuąƖ, do not know either way on that...know Bush, Sr was supposedly into underage black boys.....but......
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John McCainn isn't American-born either. So neither he nor Obama would have qualified to be President. What's so freightening is that we don't really know where Obama was born. Very few people know much of anything about his private life. Heck, some people even think he's gαy.
unlike McCain, Gnigrich, Limbaugh,etc,etc...he is marreid to same woman whole time, though the gαy thing or bisɛҳuąƖ, do not know either way on that...know Bush, Sr was supposedly into underage black boys.....but......
Well, there is an internet rumor that George Bush Jr was sent to some place to be "de-gαyed". The rumor that Obama is gαy might have more evidence. I believe some man claimed to have had a relationship with him.
And I never knew McCainn was US born. Interesting...
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John McCainn isn't American-born either. So neither he nor Obama would have qualified to be President. What's so freightening is that we don't really know where Obama was born. Very few people know much of anything about his private life. Heck, some people even think he's gαy.
If you watched the link, Obama says himself he was born in Kenya. My husband always reminds me that John cCain was not born in the U.S.A. but both had American mothers, so that is all that is necessary, but my point is, Obama now that he is president, he won't come out anymore and say where he was born and allows the lies to continue.
As far as the gαy issue, isn't that one of the qualifications, these days to get ahead, immorality of some sort?
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John McCainn isn't American-born either. So neither he nor Obama would have qualified to be President. What's so freightening is that we don't really know where Obama was born. Very few people know much of anything about his private life. Heck, some people even think he's gαy.
If you watched the link, Obama says himself he was born in Kenya. My husband always reminds me that John cCain was not born in the U.S.A. but both had American mothers, so that is all that is necessary, but my point is, Obama now that he is president, he won't come out anymore and say where he was born and allows the lies to continue.
As far as the gαy issue, isn't that one of the qualifications, these days to get ahead, immorality of some sort?
Yeah, I would say so. If it's true that Obama is cheating on his wife with another man, Obama will look even worse than Bill Clinton.