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What a horrible deal Obamacare is
« on: August 16, 2016, 11:42:44 PM »
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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2016, 06:27:39 AM »
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  • Unless you have a catastrophic illness or injury, the chances of having $13K in medical expenses is pretty slim.  For most people, paying Obamacare premiums and getting absolutely nothing in return for them is just throwing away money.  Paying the tax penalty is generally cheaper.


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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2016, 08:02:00 AM »
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  • I went on the internet and typed in: cheap health insurance.

    I'm paying about 300% less than Obama scare and about 1/2 of what BCBS wants - plus, I have a low deductible and really great coverage including dental, optical, prescriptions and some other stuff I can't remember and my rate is locked in for two years.  

    Put your email address in but if possible, just don't put your phone number in when you reply or you'll get a hundred calls over the next 5 weeks or whatever. I put in a fake phone number because I went through this a few years ago - there are hundreds of agents that get your application but they all seem to price the plans about the same.

    Just reply to one of the emails that you'll get and get them to find you some affordable insurance. If it worked for me, it can work for anyone.



     
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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2016, 11:45:27 AM »
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  • Either sign up for a CO-OP like CMF Curo, or just self-pay. It will be cheaper. These insurance policies are highly unjust and we should not support them. They are designed to bankrupt Americans. Don't play their game.

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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2016, 11:56:09 AM »
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  • My younger brother who has a family once had very good insurance with the
    company he works with until the company dropped the insurance because
    of Obamacare.  Now he and his family has no insurance and prefers to pay the
    IRS penalty because it is cheaper than Obamacare.
    Obamacare is just a boom to the government to collect more money in taxes.


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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2016, 11:24:46 PM »
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  • Obamacare Doomed as Insurers loses 2 Billion  on plans in 2016 ( 2017 Rates
    to Soar).

    Zero Hedge

    Posted 8-17-16

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Obamacare_Doomed_As_Insurers_Lose_%242_Billion_On_Plans_In_2016_%28Prompting_2017_Rates_To_Soar%29/53534/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    The typical rosy Democrat narrative on Obamacare highlights the decline in uninsured Americans as evidence of its great "success" while conveniently ignoring the fact that most of the "newly insured" are actually coming from the expansion of Medicaid.  The fact is that Obamacare is a debacle and is on the verge of collapse (see our previous post "Obamacare On "Verge Of Collapse" As Premiums Set To Soar Again In 2017").

    Our reasoning is quite simple and is the same reason Obamacare was doomed from the start.  As we've pointed out numerous times in the past, the true downfall of Obamacare will be in its inherent "adverse selection bias."  "Sicker/older" people have every incentive to enroll while "younger/healthier" people, the ones that were supposed to subsidize everyone else by buying policies they didn't need, are choosing to simply pay their penalties instead.  So what you're left with is a pool of "sicker/older" people who consume a massive amount of healthcare but whom don't pay "their fair share" because Obamacare specifically caps the rates that can be charged to the "sicker/older" people at 3x the rates charged to "younger/healthier" people (who cares if they consume 20x more healthcare...3x just sounded about right).

    And as a recent article from Bloomberg confirms, the negative impacts of "adverse selection bias" are playing out in insurers' financials.  Per Bloomberg, the major U.S. insurers are set to lose roughly $2BN on Obamacare in 2016.  UnitedHealth has announced they lost $850mm on Obamacare in 2016 while Aetna, Anthem and Humana are expected to lose about $300mm each.  

     
     
    Obamacare advocates had hoped that big government subsidies to consumers would persuade healthy people to sign up for the ACA plans. But the policies have largely been taken out by older, less healthy people who are more expensive to insure. “What we are left with?…?is a highly subsidized program for relatively low-income people,” says Dan Mendelson, the CEO of consulting firm Avalere Health. “We’re not getting to the broader vision of a robust private market structure that enables a broad swath of Americans to purchase their insurance.”
    In the end, the fate of Obamacare boils down to simple math.  Each person that signs up for insurance has some expected present value of future healthcare consumption...believe it or not the insurers are pretty good at calculating these values.  Insurers agree to post significant sums of capital to underwrite those future healthcare costs but expect a return on that capital.  Now, in theory, the insurers don't really care whether premium dollars come from the "sicker/older" people or the "younger/healthier" people so long as the aggregate dollars collected meet their minimum return on invested capital thresholds.  That said, with rates capped on "sicker/older" people and the absence of "younger/healthier" people signing up, there simply aren't enough dollars in aggregate being collected to provide that return to insurers.

    So, insurers are left with 2 options: (1) pull out of Obamacare or (2) implement massive premium hikes.  Well, turns out they're actually doing both.

    Per Bloomberg, UnitedHealth has announced plans to exit 31 of the 34 states where it currently offers ACA policies, Aetna is dropping 11 out of 15 states and Humana is reducing it's offerings to just 156 counties down from 1,351 a year ago.  Meanwhile, insurers are also hiking premiums by 24%, on average, for the remaining states in 2017 (see our previous post: "Obamacare Sticker Shock: Average 2017 Premium Surges 24%").   Despite Obama's promise that Obamacare would increase options and lower costs, it is, in practice, doing the exact opposite as Cynthia Cox of the Kaiser Family Foundation points out that "as many as a quarter of all U.S. counties, mainly in rural areas, are at risk of having just a single insurer for next year."

     
     
    On Aug. 15, Aetna said it will stop selling Obamacare plans in 11 of the 15 states where it had participated in the program, reversing its plan to expand into five new state exchanges in 2017. “The exchanges are a mess as they exist today,” says Aetna Chief Executive Officer Mark Bertolini. “They’re losing a lot of money for a lot of people.”
    Actually, there was also a 3rd option proposed by insurers to cut ACA losses.  Insurers also attempted mergers as a way to reduce costs and alleviate some of the profitability pressures inflicted by Obamacare but Obama's Justice Department isn't too keen on the idea.  Per Bloomberg:

     
     
    Insurance companies were hoping that a wave of mergers would help them cope with ACA-related red ink. In July 2015, Aetna struck a deal to buy Humana and Anthem agreed to buy Cigna. But the U.S. Department of Justice sued to block both transactions, saying they’d harm competition. “The synergies from the two mergers would have subsidized a lot of losses,” says Ana Gupte, an analyst at Leerink Partners. “That could have helped them manage some of the pressure they’re seeing on the exchanges.”
    Meanwhile, the media is now starting to spin a narrative that Aetna CEO,  Mark Bertolini, effectively attempted to blackmail antitrust officials over the approval of his proposed merger with Humana.  Per another report from Bloomberg:

     
     
    Aetna Inc. warned antitrust officials more than a month ago that it would pull out of Obamacare’s government-run markets for health insurance if the U.S. attempted to block its $37 billion merger with Humana Inc.

     

    In a July 5 letter to the Justice Department from Chief Executive Officer Mark Bertolini, Aetna said that challenging the merger “would have a negative financial impact on Aetna and would impair Aetna’s ability to continue its support” of plans sold under the Affordable Care Act. That would leave the insurer “with no choice but to take actions to steward its financial health.”

     

    “If the DOJ sues to enjoin the transaction, we will immediately take action to reduce our 2017 exchange footprint,” Bertolini wrote. He said that the cost of litigation and debt taken on by Aetna, the need to plan for a breakup fee it would owe Humana, as well as cost savings from a successful deal, would all factor into Aetna’s need to pull back.

     

    “By contrast, if the deal proceeds without the diverted time and energy associated with litigation, we would explore how to devote a portion of the additional synergies (which are larger than we had planned for when announcing the deal) to supporting even more public exchange coverage,” Bertolini said in the letter.
    Since when did corporations taking actions to make money for shareholders become a crime in this country?


     

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    Offline LaramieHirsch

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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2016, 11:39:20 PM »
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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 10:11:14 AM »
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  • Basic 3rd grade economics:

    To make something  cheaper, increase supply.

    Obamacare-economics:

    Wish for something cheaper, close your eyes, and increase demand.

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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 10:25:11 AM »
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  • Obamacare was designed to enriched the Insurance Companies, the pharmaceutical Companies, and the Stock Market.
     and to collect more taxes from Americans. The government lied
    when they said you could still keep your insurance. My younger brother found
    that out.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/10/01/obamacare-enriches-only-the-health-insurance-giants-and-their-shareholders/#36f8746468c8

    ObamaCare Enriches Only The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders




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    So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats  more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500.  The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%. And if you go back to the  early 2010 passage of ObamaCare, you will find that Obama’s sellout of the public interest has allowed the public companies the ability to raise their premiums, especially on small business, dramatically multiply their profits and send the value of their common stocks  up  by 200%-300%. This is bloody scandalous and should be a cause for concern even as the Republican opponents of the bill threaten the close-down of  the government.

    We warned you back on December4, 2009 in my blog ” The Horrendous Truth About Health Care Reform” that the Obama White House was handing a “ free ride for the health insurance industry” that would allow premium hikes of 8%-10% a year by CIGNA, Humana HUM +0.23%, Aetna AET +0.71%, UnitedHealth Group UNH +0.54% and Wellpoint, and as well  a $500 billion taxpayer subsidy, a half trillion dollars without any requirement that the health insurers had to spend the subsidy on medical care. Several US Senators including Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia spoke to me openly of the outrageous sellout being foisted on the nation’s uninsured citizens.

    At the time I wrote, Goldman Sachs  research operation  estimated that the 5 giants would increase profits by 10% a year from 2010 to 2019, sending their shares up an average of 59%. In truth,  the shares of CIGNA and some others are up a multiple of several times since the  contest was resolved by a very tight vote in early 2010.  One startling reason for this amazing performance was  that Obama took off the table “proposals to significantly reduce health care costs” as the giveaway in getting the bill through, according to Ron Susskind’s best-selling book ,”Confidence Men,” which I wrote about in a blog on September 24, 2011. ( “Obama’s Incoherent Policy-Making”)   Some 3 years later,  UnitedHealthCare  Group(UNH) was  rewarded by  being  added to the  elite list of the Dow 30 industrials.

    I understood belatedly that there would have been no Affordable Care Act of 2010 if the White House had not given into demands from the giant  profit-making health insurance companies. Had he not done so, I am being assured that there would have been no bill passed, a priority goal  that Obama promised  in his 2008 Presidential campaign. How the profits have risen so impressively requires further investigation as the bill is meant to limit the profits earned to 20% of the revenues.

    One of the other downsides to the supposed reform bill was the surprisingly unfair treatment of small business owners who faced even larger potential premiums for their employees. It has been the fear of these higher health costs that has resulted in the  overwhelming trend toward hiring part-time employees whom the employers need not offer healthcare insurance.

    So much for the reforms embedded in the  mis-labeled Affordable Care Act of 2010. It may not die a bloody demise this month, but it is certain to be reformed itself, let’s hope for the benefit of the 300 million, not just the millions of lucky shareholders who may have understood the ramification of ObamaCare, which was to multiply the profits of five giant insurance companies, just as the major bank oligopoly  was rewarded by the federal bailouts and Fed monetary policy.


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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 04:08:21 PM »
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  • If Hilary is voted in, health care will continue to be worse.  It was Hilary who wanted school-based and linked clinics.  It was she he started it and it is she who would just love to keep the abortions/vaccinations going. And the young are the property of the state when in public schools.  The parents just work and work.

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    What a horrible deal Obamacare is
    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2016, 11:31:13 AM »
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  • Obamacare is meant to be bad. It's just for the Insurance Companies, Pharmaceutical companies to make lots of profits and the government to collect more taxes and revenue.
    Listen to the X22 Report, Episode 1051 of 8-17-16. Dave will tell you the truth
    about Obamacare. You can listen for free on rense.com