Author Topic: Voting for Trump? (Read 23903 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #60 on:** October 24, 2016, 08:58:15 AM »

In Isaias 45, God annointed a faithless Gentile, Cyrus, to lead and restore the Lord's Social Reign, and to subdue His enemies, and for the sake of His children (Jacob and all in the Faith of Abraham). Maybe Trump is another Cyrus? Let's pray he is one.

Matthew · « **Reply #61 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:33:14 AM »

Just something to think about:

1. Ross Perot was another billionaire who resonated with many people.
2. He had a HUGE grass-roots organization to collect signatures, get out the vote, talk to people, etc. Now ask yourself: Which third party candidate today has this level of support? Which third party candidate has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected?
3. If no third party has a chance of actually winning, then the presidency WILL go to one of the two main candidates: Trump or Clinton
4. As a corollary, any vote for a third party is, strictly speaking, a waste of one's vote.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #62 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:42:16 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

4. As a corollary, any vote for a third party is, strictly speaking, a waste of one's vote.

Which is precisely what they want you to believe. And that's why third parties cannot get off the ground. It's a vicious cycle.

Nevertheless, voting on PRINICIPLE is NEVER a "waste of one's vote". This is not a pragmatic "lesser of evils" exercise.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #63 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:43:31 AM »

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Per your picture, Matthew, Clinton was worse that Bush how?

Matthew · « **Reply #64 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:46:18 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matthew
4. As a corollary, any vote for a third party is, strictly speaking, a waste of one's vote.

Which is precisely what they want you to believe. And that's why third parties cannot get off the ground. It's a vicious cycle.

Nevertheless, voting on PRINICIPLE is NEVER a "waste of one's vote". This is not a pragmatic "lesser of evils" exercise.

Well, it's hard to argue with reality and results. When was the last time a third party candidate was elected to the office of President?

You can write in whoever you want based on your principles: Garcia Moreno (R.I.P.), Mickey Mouse, Stein, Johnson, Ted Cruz, or whoever. But none of them has a chance in hell of winning, and the prize will go to Hillary or Trump.

And in this case, since we're talking about Traditional Catholics who would never in a thousand years vote for Hillary, the beneficiary of third party voting will most certainly be Hillary.

Matthew · « **Reply #65 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:49:46 AM »

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Per your picture, Matthew, Clinton was worse that Bush how?

Greater scandal, greater evil. Hitting the accelerator towards evil a bit harder.

Bush was no saint, but as a Republican he had to keep the God-fearing Catholics and Christians somewhat happy. So his evil had to be bridled, which certainly slowed him down.

Such was not the case for Mr. Clinton, OR Mrs. Clinton. They are full, unchecked, unbridled evil.

If I have a choice of WW3/NWO armageddon in 4 years, or in 0 years, I'm going to choose 4 years. Slower is always better. I can always use another 4 years to prepare.

And yes, it was technically evil of Mr. Bush to start wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. but let's face it: it doesn't affect me personally that much. For the most part, life goes on. What will affect me much more is Martial Law, WW3 with Russia, Hillary's planned gun grab, collapse of the dollar, etc.

And 4 more years of Liberal-democrat ideological influence on the Supreme Court, hitting the accelerator full-throttle on things like Abortion, anti-Home-Schooling, mandatory vaccines, "it takes a communist state to raise a child", and whatnot -- won't help Traditional Catholics very much either.

And yes, Bush is less evil than Clinton. The lesser of two evils, as it were. If the Bushes have a body count in their wake like the Clintons do, it is not known to the world at this time. So we have to give the Bushes the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are not quite as villainous as the Clintons.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #66 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:54:00 AM »

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Quote from: Ladislaus
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[picture]

Per your picture, Matthew, Clinton was worse that Bush how?

Greater scandal, greater evil. Hitting the accelerator towards evil a bit harder.

Bush was no saint, but as a Republican he had to keep the God-fearing Catholics and Christians somewhat happy. So his evil had to be bridled, which certainly slowed him down.

Nah, that's sometimes part of the plan. Bush and Clinton are working for the same team. Just like you had Ratzinger vs. Bergoglio. Ratzinger was "relatively conservative" and therefore capable of suckering in Traditional Catholics (used a lot of Latin). But under the hood they're both flaming modernists. You're falling for the dialectic, Matthew. While these "God-fearing Catholics" cannot be taken by way of a sudden precipitous introduction of evil, they can be gradually hoodwinked into becoming just a little less conservative at each step ... until they get boiled like the proverbial frog. It's all part of the plan.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #67 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:55:02 AM »

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Greater scandal, greater evil.

"Lesser evil" thinking is repugnant to Catholic principles.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #68 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:57:37 AM »

I'm voting for Trump because I have nothing to lose.

I've studied the NWO since the 1960's when I lost my country to the communists with the help of the USA. Yes, the USA government and the Bolsheviks are two sides of the same coin. The Americans and Russian peoples are not the problem, it is the Russian and American governments that are the problem. They are both controlled by the NWO and ultimately Satan.

I have NEVER been right in my doomsday predictions, the NWO always pulls a rabbit out of the hat and everything continues without major physical or monetary catastrophes. So, everyone that thinks the world is going to end, can take solace in the fact that I've been there many times before and I was wrong. Now, I study everything and weigh the possibilities and leave it at that. I draw no conclusions, I leave it in the hands of God.

This election has been very interesting in that it has gone totally contrary to what I expected, something is happening, but who knows what? There might be a power struggle going on within the NWO? I believe all the elections are rigged, and it is easy to do with the centralized computer tallying that they do today.

Here are two huge oddities I observe in this election:

- that "an outsider" like Trump is still in the race. If he truly was an outsider, he would not have made it this far. If he does make it to be president, then he is protected by someone as powerful as those that controlled all the past presidents. That is why I say this could be a power struggle between different factions of the NWO. Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton presidencies are proof incarnate that the president is a puppet that does nothing to run the government.

- Hilary Clinton is being thrown under the bus. Despite the media being 100% behind Hilary she is being thrown under the bus even in the mainstream. Very odd.

I'm voting for Trump because I want to see what is going to come of it.

Matthew · « **Reply #69 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:58:05 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Nah, that's sometimes part of the plan. Bush and Clinton are working for the same team. Just like you had Ratzinger vs. Bergoglio. Ratzinger was "relatively conservative" and therefore capable of suckering in Traditional Catholics (used a lot of Latin). But under the hood they're both flaming modernists. You're falling for the dialectic, Matthew. While these "God-fearing Catholics" cannot be taken by way of a sudden precipitous introduction of evil, they can be gradually hoodwinked into becoming just a little less conservative at each step ... until they get boiled like the proverbial frog. It's all part of the plan.

Ok, I'll grant that we're being frog-boiled.

I still disagree with you on what we should do about it. You say the frogs should make no effort to keep the temperature increase slow and steady. You're saying that if there were a vote:

Keep the temperature rising slow and steady
vs.
Crank the temperature up 1000%

that the frogs shouldn't care one way or the other. They're dead either way.

I disagree. More time is always valuable for the sake of being better prepared.

St Ignatius · « **Reply #70 on:** October 24, 2016, 09:58:21 AM »

Aren't the Bushes openly supporting Clinton over Trump?
If there was ever any bridle, it ain't no more.

Matthew · « **Reply #71 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:01:05 AM »

I know some people, frustrated with the long, drawn-out dry martyrdom, cry out:

"Bring on Bergoglio. He'll awaken more people to the truth of Sedevacantism. Who cares if he does much more damage to the Church and to souls. Things have to get worse before they can get better."

I understand this line of thinking, but I still think it's the wrong one.

It's the same line of thinking that roots for the Chastisement to happen tomorrow rather than in 1 or 5 years. It's an opinion springing from impatience and weariness with keeping up the good fight for so many years on end.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #72 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:04:06 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

I'm voting for Trump because I have nothing to lose.

I've studied the NWO since the 1960's when I lost my country to the communists with the help of the USA. Yes, the USA government and the Bolsheviks are two sides of the same coin. The Americans and Russian peoples are not the problem, it is the Russian and American governments that are the problem. They are both controlled by the NWO and ultimately Satan.

I have NEVER been right in my doomsday predictions, the NWO always pulls a rabbit out of the hat and everything continues without major physical or monetary catastrophes. So, everyone that thinks the world is going to end, can take solace in the fact that I've been there many times before and I was wrong. Now, I study everything and weigh the possibilities and leave it at that. I draw no conclusions, I leave it in the hands of God.

This election has been very interesting in that it has gone totally contrary to what I expected, something is happening, but who knows what? There might be a power struggle going on within the NWO? I believe all the elections are rigged, and it is easy to do with the centralized computer tallying that they do today.

Here are two huge oddities I observe in this election:

- that "an outsider" like Trump is still in the race. If he truly was an outsider, he would not have made it this far. If he does make it to be president, then he is protected by someone as powerful as those that controlled all the past presidents. That is why I say this could be a power struggle between different factions of the NWO. Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton presidencies are proof incarnate that the president is a puppet that does nothing to run the government.

- Hilary Clinton is being thrown under the bus. Despite the media being 100% behind Hilary she is being thrown under the bus even in the mainstream. Very odd.

I'm voting for Trump because I want to see what is going to come of it.

Matthew · « **Reply #73 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:26:00 AM »

P.S.

Here on CathInfo (especially in the SSPX Resistance subforum) we are used to the idea that frog-boiling is bad, and that one SHOULD escape such a trap, at least if he is aware and/or smart.

However, that doesn't apply to the rigged, 2-party political system in the United States. Unless you want to live on a boat in international waters or something, there really isn't any way out. We have to live somewhere on earth until God is ready to take us, and there are no Catholic kingdoms left on the earth.

So a person can acknowledge THIS PARTICULAR frog boil and do nothing to escape it -- because there is no escape in this world.

Arvinger · « **Reply #74 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:28:34 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matthew
4. As a corollary, any vote for a third party is, strictly speaking, a waste of one's vote.

Which is precisely what they want you to believe. And that's why third parties cannot get off the ground. It's a vicious cycle.

Nevertheless, voting on PRINICIPLE is NEVER a "waste of one's vote". This is not a pragmatic "lesser of evils" exercise.

You are correct, but the situation is a very specific one now. The disaster is imminent and there is no time, there is no luxury of being able to slowly build up support for 3rd party for the next elections - if Hillary will not be stopped you might not have next elections. So right now what it boils down to is whether Hillary will be stopped or not.