Women should never have been given the right to vote.

Having said that, if that woman wins, it will not be on account of women voting for her, but Catholics.  It was the novus ordo Catholics who put that buffoon we have in the White House not once, but twice.

According to the demographic breakdowns I've seen, Trump leads by a large margin among men, but trails by an equally large margin among women.  Novus Ordo "Catholics" appear to be split 50-50, which is an incredible scandal, but they basically neutralize themselves.

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Women should never have been given the right to vote.

Having said that, if that woman wins, it will not be on account of women voting for her, but Catholics.  It was the novus ordo Catholics who put that buffoon we have in the White House not once, but twice.

According to the demographic breakdowns I've seen, Trump leads by a large margin among men, but trails by an equally large margin among women.  Novus Ordo "Catholics" appear to be split 50-50, which is an incredible scandal, but they basically neutralize themselves.

It's a good example of why women shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

They can't even recognize one of their worst enemies.  She put Bill's bimbos through the ringer and threw the others under the bus.  She's no friend of women.  

Sadly, she is the epitome of every bad thing women have become.

Look at her face.  Women never used to look like that when they aged.  But start to notice older women when you are out and about.  Their faces are hard and bitter and angry.  Nothing feminine and soft about many of them.  

I've written all this despite being inclined to vote Trump.  But if I vote Trump, it'll be because I can do it in principle and not due to pragmatic considerations of "lesser of two evil" thinking.

I am curious on where you are at now as to whether to vote for Trump or not?

Alexandria:

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Women should never have been given the right to vote.

Having said that, if that woman wins, it will not be on account of women voting for her, but Catholics. It was the novus ordo Catholics who put that buffoon we have in the White House not once, but twice.

Bingo! I agree entirely.  With notable exceptions like Alexandria, women should not be allowed to vote.  They are too governed by emotions.  Bp. W. I think, would agree.

But she is right, Catholics put "that buffoon" in office twice.  What I'm not so certain about is that they were all NO Catholics.  I have a feeling that many trads voted for him too.  It is difficult to prove one way or the other.

This would not be reflective of my experience with trads.  But "trad" covers a pretty big range.  You're right that it is difficult to prove either way.  But I would be shocked if more than a rare outlier here and there would have voted for him, and that even goes for the indult/motu parishes I have visited over the years (which I don't routinely do anymore and never without confirming the year the priest was ordained as I'm not down for a post-1968 prietender).

I will say, though, that I don't understand why anybody would find your concern and thoughts on the matter objectionable enough to down-thumb.

Wonder how many Bergoglioites will refrain from voting or vote for Hillary because of borders...  How much more NWO/globalist does it get than open borders...

Any of them over about 40 are more with her (Hillary Clinton) than they are with Her (the Church).

To their credit, the younger ones are actually voting Trump or McMullin.

I voted this morning in Ohio ... for Trump (along with other local candidates).

They had these optical scanners.  I have  about a 1% confidence that my vote will actually be counted and tabulated correctly ... and not rigged by the electronic voting system.  But even under those conditions I felt compelled in conscience to vote.

Looks like Trump and Pence are just voting now. God willing, they will win.

It's amazing that even after Planned Parenthood was caught killing innocent babies near birth and then callously selling their body parts to the highest bidder, Hilary is so demonic as to still want to continue government funding of that criminal enterprise. I really wish Trump was stronger on this, but he's said he will defund PP as long as it continues abortion (though others promised to prosecute it); Pence opposed PP as Indiana Governor and pledged to "consign Roe v Wade to the ash heap of history", something that is in line with his past record. Trump/Pence will be good, but how far will they go?

Hilary being evil by itself doesn't justify voting for Trump, the magnitude of the evil she stands for however is something to be considered in applying double effect. There is a very grave obligation to prevent that evil provided it can be done through legitimate means, we're talking about millions of children here who will continue to be killed in the next few years. Only something very evil and very serious like supporting unjust wars (violations of jus ad bellum)/unjust conduct during war (violations of jus in bello, the second part of just war) on a corresponding large scale adversely affecting many lives would be proportionately grave and thereby disqualifying. That statement about torturing innocent relatives etc was horrible and if he really means it, it could be argued to be disqualifying. I believe/hope Trump will moderate his rhetoric and his actions on torture etc and turn out to be a little more reasonable on that after the election.

Obviously, Trump is no Buchanan, who was a perfect Catholic candidate, but he's probably the best America can do for now. And as Pence said, it's a providential time, the next president could well set the direction of the court for the next few decades. After 8 years of Obama, 4 more of Hilary is unconscionable and would probably finish any hope of turning the supreme court for good.

All the other considerations, on the economy etc are perfectly legitimate ones provided they are subordinated to the primary moral issues. Trump, after all, is a successful businessman and is likely to be good for the economy, bring down the debt etc. Finally, Pence said they would repeal the Johnson Amendment, effectively breaking down a core part of "separation of church and state", I think that would be very good, it would allow a real moral majority of Catholics, Evangelicals and other conservatives to form in the coming years.

I believe Trump/Pence will win. A recent Rasmussen poll showed him leading 53-43% among voters who made up their minds. A key part of that is conservatives "coming home" as Pence puts it and deciding to vote for Trump despite having some reservations about him. Cruz himself, most of the Protestant ministers, the Catholic pro-life groups who had some justified reservations about Trump being less than ideal are voting for him anyway, and I think that's the right decision. I expect Trump will win because of that (Romney lost to Obama because many Evangelicals and conservatives stayed home, because he offered practically nothing on moral issues) and conservatives should see to it he fulfils his pledge after that.

Hilary being evil by itself doesn't justify voting for Trump, the magnitude of the evil she stands for however is something to be considered in applying double effect. There is a very grave obligation to prevent that evil provided it can be done through legitimate means, we're talking about millions of children here who will continue to be killed in the next few years.

Just to be clear, the magnitude of Hillary's evilness (which no one here can dispute and most of us probably even underestimate) has nothing to do with double effect.  So, for instance, if by killing one innocent person I can save two people, or by killing one person I can save ten million people ... in neither case, regardless of the "magnitude" of the contrary evil, can someone kill that one person.  So the only consideration is whether voting for Trump is an evil or can be justified with double effect.  If voting for Trump would be evil, based on double effect, then one cannot do it, regardless of how evil Hillary would be.