Typically many Catholics fail to understand political struggle. In about ten days all the big names in European Nationalism are having a conference in Rome.  Voting Trump is the necessary strategy for now. It is time for the Christian Democrats even here in Ireland to move aside. The election of Trump and the conference in Rome is the new dawn. The Christian Solidarity party have their conference in Ireland. They will get about ten people attending.

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Isn't trump pro-LGBT?

Trump is pro-States' Rights.  The establishment GOP goons in the primary twisted his position.

I thought I saw a picture of him holding up an LGBT rainbow flag.

I haven't seen that.  I heard him insisting that the restroom issue should be left up to the states and others twisting his words.

Even if Trump were actively pro LGBT, I would consider that a double-effect scenario where I could still vote for him.

A news affiliate let it slip that they plan to rig the election for Hillary:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/They-let-it-slip-plan-to-steal-election-for-Hillary

What difference does it really make, as long as our Country okays abortion and gαy marriage plus all the other sins too many to list, our Country is sunk!  

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If both candidates are pro abortion, in my opinion  it would be immoral to vote for any of the 2.

Well, your opinion is worth less than a single Cheerio that's been on the floor for 3 weeks. And I will treat it accordingly.

For what it's worth, the same goes for Ladislaus OPINION and my OPINION. Unfortunately for you, we are not giving our worthless opinions, but rather the teachings of the One True Church on this matter.

Opinions are like ...armpits (or some other, smelly part of the body)... everyone has one.. I mean "has them"... and they stink.

The Catholic Church permits us to vote for "the lesser of two evils", but She does not command us to do so -- much less under pain of grave sin.

I believe my opinion is more in line with the teaching of Caholicism, if you disagree with my opinion that's fine, but you haven't proved my opinion wrong, when has the Catholic Church taught it is ok for us to vote for someone who is pro abortion?  lesser of 2 evils is ambiguous , so my opinion still stands as most reasonable until you prove oherwise.

As I've been arguing on this thread, you cannot in fact vote for an evil candidate in order to block a more evil candidate.  That's "lesser evil" and "end justifies the means", neither of which is permitted according to Catholic moral theology.  Double-effect does not apply because 1) the primary act, voting for the pro-abortion candidate, is evil (primary act must be good or indifferent and 2) the good effect cannot be caused by the evil effect (blocking the worse candidate, aka good effect, is caused by voting for the bad candidate (evil effect).  So this scenario most certainly fails the double-effect test.

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Bill and Hillary, it turns out, are probably pedophiles.  

Watch half of the country vote for her anyway.

You are right.  Half the country, and many Catholics, will vote for her anyway.

I have made up my mind that if she wins and I find out someone voted for her, I am going to shun the person completely.  Clearly, they are not responsible citizens nor could they be playing with a full deck.

My family is voting for her.  They shun us.

More Wikileaks: Clinton Camp Linked to Satanism

The Horn News

11-4-2016

https://thehornnews.com/wikileaks-clinton-camp-linked-satanism/

It’s the most disturbing email released yet from anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks — and it directly links Democractic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta, and a Satanic “Spirit Cooking” ritual.

This isn’t the stuff of fringe conspiracy theory lunatics. This bombshell connection between top Clinton aides and the occult is very real — and it’s taking the internet by storm. The hashtag #SpiritCooking became the top trending topic on the social media giant Twitter early Friday.

The email reveals that Podesta, a close aide of the Clinton family, appears to have attended a “Spirit Cooking” dinner with his brother and their wives, hosted by an extreme occult performance artist named Marina Abramovic.

But a “Spirit Cooking” dinner doesn’t include a sit-down dinner with turkey and red wine. It reportedly involves pigs blood, pentagrams, and self-mutilation. No, really.

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The shocking email link to the Satantic practices couldn’t have come at a worse time for the Clinton campaign. Liberals were quick to dismiss the bloody practice as “performance art,” but religious leaders had already been speaking out, according to reports.

The Huffington Post reported on Oct 16th that the Immaculate Conception Catholic Church in San Diego had warned, “The devil does this through tactics outlined by Saul Alinsky with the outcome as Hillary Clinton stated ‘And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed,’ to draw us away from God’s teachings regarding the sanctity of life to those of the world and its prince.”

Chilling? You’re not alone. The accusations are flying on social media as well.

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