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Offline St John Evangelist

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Voting for Trump?
« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2016, 10:52:39 AM »
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  • Donald Trump exposed


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDreLyC_FTQ&feature=youtu.be

    Can Catholics honestly vote for this guy in good conscience?


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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #152 on: October 31, 2016, 11:24:04 AM »
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  • I read Cassini's long outpouring on the "NeverTrumps."  It is so long, yet essentially right and even reasonable, if one can burrow beneath the thick overlay of his emotionally charged rhetoric.

    I think what he might be telling us is that we really have no choice but to vote for an imperfect man like Trump to become president of this totally "dystopic," Masonically - conceived and inspired nation of ours.  If he's not saying that, then I confess that I have no idea really what he's talking about.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #153 on: October 31, 2016, 12:19:37 PM »
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    When you vote for a candidate, you are responsible for whatever policies they enact ... to the extent that you could have foreknown or predicted them based on the positions the person has publicly articulated and/or various attitudes he has demonstrated in the past.


    This is only true if you take an extremist view of what democracy is - that your "elected representative" literally represents you in everything. I don't view democracy as a matter of electing "representatives".


    No, this is true due to the nature of the moral act of voting.

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #154 on: October 31, 2016, 12:21:00 PM »
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    So, perhaps, he feels that he can not dignify my inquiry with a reply?  Is that it?


    It's because I don't consider your "inquiry" being worth dignifying with reply.


    Offline Motorede

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #155 on: October 31, 2016, 01:26:49 PM »
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    Ladislaus, are you a follower of Fr. Pfeiffer, and are you, by chance a resident of Post Falls, ID.?


    Over the years Ladislaus has vigorously defended Father Feeney and the dogma EENS.
    Father Pfeiffer would not tolerate Ladislaus because of this. Never could have existed a relationship such as you suggest above, Holly.  

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #156 on: October 31, 2016, 01:30:22 PM »
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  • Good visual:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #157 on: October 31, 2016, 02:26:33 PM »
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    Good visual:



    Donald Trump is a pro abort parading around like George W Bush as a conservative.  

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDreLyC_FTQ&feature=youtu.be


    Catholics should vote for who they support, who they stand for, not who they fall for.


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    « Reply #158 on: October 31, 2016, 04:31:51 PM »
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    Over the years Ladislaus has vigorously defended Father Feeney and the dogma EENS.
    Father Pfeiffer would not tolerate Ladislaus because of this. Never could have existed a relationship such as you suggest above, Holly.  


    Very well, if that is the case.  And I'm not so sure P would disown or repudiate  Fr. Feeny.  In any case, I make no great demand on Laddy.  Simply, is he from great state of Idaho? If preserving his identity is so important to him, can he tell us if he's from the great Northwest of the U.S.?

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    Voting for Trump?
    « Reply #159 on: October 31, 2016, 06:21:52 PM »
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    When you vote for a candidate, you are responsible for whatever policies they enact ... to the extent that you could have foreknown or predicted them based on the positions the person has publicly articulated and/or various attitudes he has demonstrated in the past.


    This is only true if you take an extremist view of what democracy is - that your "elected representative" literally represents you in everything. I don't view democracy as a matter of electing "representatives".


    No, this is true due to the nature of the moral act of voting.


    Let's take this to its logical conclusion then.

    Imagine 2 candidates:

    A - believes in abortion, ritual human sacrifice, public sodomy, polygamy, total suppression of all Christian religion, slavery . . .

    B - opposes all of these resolutely, except abortion.

    Now let's say that hypothetically, unless you vote for B, A will win the election. Do you refuse to vote B because you can't have a pro-abort as your representative? I think it would be highly immoral for you to refuse to vote B in such circuмstances.

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    « Reply #160 on: October 31, 2016, 07:59:19 PM »
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    When you vote for a candidate, you are responsible for whatever policies they enact ... to the extent that you could have foreknown or predicted them based on the positions the person has publicly articulated and/or various attitudes he has demonstrated in the past.


    This is only true if you take an extremist view of what democracy is - that your "elected representative" literally represents you in everything. I don't view democracy as a matter of electing "representatives".


    No, this is true due to the nature of the moral act of voting.


    Let's take this to its logical conclusion then.

    Imagine 2 candidates:

    A - believes in abortion, ritual human sacrifice, public sodomy, polygamy, total suppression of all Christian religion, slavery . . .

    B - opposes all of these resolutely, except abortion.

    Now let's say that hypothetically, unless you vote for B, A will win the election. Do you refuse to vote B because you can't have a pro-abort as your representative? I think it would be highly immoral for you to refuse to vote B in such circuмstances.


    If both candidates are pro abortion, in my opinion  it would be immoral to vote for any of the 2.


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    « Reply #161 on: October 31, 2016, 10:16:49 PM »
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  • Fraction Magic- Bev hαɾɾιs
    Black Box Voting

    We all know there is rigging, but this makes it understandable

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    « Reply #162 on: October 31, 2016, 10:17:55 PM »
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    Over the years Ladislaus has vigorously defended Father Feeney and the dogma EENS.
    Father Pfeiffer would not tolerate Ladislaus because of this. Never could have existed a relationship such as you suggest above, Holly.  


    Very well, if that is the case.  And I'm not so sure P would disown or repudiate  Fr. Feeny.  In any case, I make no great demand on Laddy.  Simply, is he from great state of Idaho? If preserving his identity is so important to him, can he tell us if he's from the great Northwest of the U.S.?


    Ha! You don't know Father Pfeiffer!  Got to keep up with current events, Holly.

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    « Reply #163 on: October 31, 2016, 10:27:52 PM »
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    Over the years Ladislaus has vigorously defended Father Feeney and the dogma EENS.
    Father Pfeiffer would not tolerate Ladislaus because of this. Never could have existed a relationship such as you suggest above, Holly.  


    Very well, if that is the case.  And I'm not so sure P would disown or repudiate  Fr. Feeny.  In any case, I make no great demand on Laddy.  Simply, is he from great state of Idaho? If preserving his identity is so important to him, can he tell us if he's from the great Northwest of the U.S.?


    Ha! You don't know Father Pfeiffer!  Got to keep up with current events, Holly.



    Fr. Pfeiffer would disown Fr. Feeney, to his discredit in the sense that bod is the tool of the devil to destroy Baptism.  

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    « Reply #164 on: November 01, 2016, 08:39:53 AM »
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    Over the years Ladislaus has vigorously defended Father Feeney and the dogma EENS.
    Father Pfeiffer would not tolerate Ladislaus because of this. Never could have existed a relationship such as you suggest above, Holly.  


    Very well, if that is the case.  And I'm not so sure P would disown or repudiate  Fr. Feeny.  In any case, I make no great demand on Laddy.  Simply, is he from great state of Idaho? If preserving his identity is so important to him, can he tell us if he's from the great Northwest of the U.S.?


    I've outed my real identity on this board and have repeatedly mentioned that I attend Mass in Ohio.  Never been anywhere near Post Falls.  So, if you've seen my previous posts, you'd know that 1) I am not fan of Father Pfeiffer and 2) have never had anything to do with Post Falls.  I refused to answer your question simply because it's idiotic, having nothing to do with the point I was making, and not to "preserve [my] identity".  I in fact gave my real name very early on here.  Also, it should be known that I was the first to be critical/wary of Father Pfeiffer.  I detected in his earliest sermons a sectarian "bunker" mentality where he implied that he was the last bastion of Catholicism left on earth.  I took a lot of heat at the time, but my misgivings proved to be spot on.